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snadbags from sculpy ??
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 06:55 AM UTC
Just wondering how those of you whom use sculpy to make sandbags go about oven baking them. Im starting a rather large Nam firebase which I will have to make alot of sandbags. I have made a small bunker before and baked in a cake pan. I would like to bake them all at once but dont know what I could find to bake them on. Its hard to do them in sections and make them match back up. Just wondering if yall had any tips or ideas.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:16 AM UTC
You could bake them on an old aluminum pie pan. If they stick you could just cut the pan around the base of the bags. You won't see the aluminum once you put them on the base.

Maybe if you sprayed the pan with non stick cooking spray the bags woulden't stick???? Just a thought....
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:31 AM UTC
A cookie sheet is bigger than a cake pan so that will work.. If it will hold all the sandbags and its not to heavy you could just make a double folded sheet of foil as long as you needed. Should work if the bags dont cause the foil to sag between the oven racks. I usually bake smaller pieces of molded sculpey on just a piece of foil.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:53 AM UTC
I have done them in sections before, but it is very hard to put them back together, you can see this in my sherman, some of them don't fit it or something, but you can get them all together and then cook them in a big pan, the ones for cakes.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:54 AM UTC
Hey thanx yall, well the oven is not big enough I guess I could bake half of them at a time and were they join camoflauge the joint some how.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 08:50 AM UTC
I did exactally that with this


I molded them all individually. Then moched them up to make sure the spacing etc was ok. Then on a piece of aluminum foil I pressed them together to get sag an 'weight'.
When you do this be sure to go back and touch up the seams, texture and remove any 'push' marks.
They will bake solid if you mush'em together pretty hard.
If you need to, mold them all together but then create a joint where you plan to break the entire line into two pieces to bake. Use a piece of plastic wrap in between the bags, it should let the sculpy mold together and allow you to separate them for baking.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 09:14 AM UTC
Thanx Slodder, for the plastic wrap between the seems tip. What about self hardening clay or is sculpy cheaper and better.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:09 PM UTC
Not sure about self hardening clay.
The sculpy I get runs me anywhere from $0.50 to $1 per 1.5x1.5 inch block
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:22 PM UTC

Quoted Text

... What about self hardening clay or is sculpy cheaper and better.



SHC is about 5 or 6 bucks for a box that'll allow you to build the Atlantic Wall.

Go to my M29 page at the banner below (I'm in a hurry here) to see what and how I did with the SHC.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:25 PM UTC
Hi all

Keenan

A product I 've used and have had alot of luck with is called Magic Sculp. Its a two part putty that comes in two 2inch high bottles . one is the putty one is the hardener. you mix the two together about 50 - 50 then make whatever you need. It is self drying so no baking needed. The web site has a article on it. Its www.MagicSculp.com Its a little more expensive than Sculpy, but a little goes a long way.

Good luck
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 09:21 PM UTC
I've had good results by making the bags out of clay, covering each bag with facial tissue treated with white glue/water, and then paint. The tissue gives you texture and you can either leave some at each end and trim it square, or put a little twist on one end for the "tied" look. Also, cause the clay is soft, you can use your finger or a pencil eraser to put in impressions for the "sagging" effect.

Art
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 10:32 PM UTC
Keenan,
Depending on what the base material is going to be, you could make all of your bags, arrange them how you want and then carefully use a heat gun to dry/cure them. Obviously if the base material is foam or something, this isnt such a good idea.. If your oven isnt big enough for the entire layout, try it in sub-assemblies. Build the bunker, then break it down into smaller pieces that you can bake, and then reassemble it once it is complete. Just my .0175 cents worth. "Q"
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:19 AM UTC
I used milliput and it dries itself without baking. Takes a lot of the stress out of getting the proper fit again afterwards.


Also perfect getting good sag on tanks etc.

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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2004 - 01:52 AM UTC
U.S. Modellers have an endless supply of ready made, flexible, and self hardening sand bags that mold to what ever shape you need, Take any kind of paint, and are just about the right size, if you leave the micrometer at home. Extrememly cheap, and will even give you fresh breath to kiss the little lady (or grumpyoldman) after a long modelling session.......
What are these wonderious things?????
C H I C K L E T S .......... once you remove the sugar coating.
Been using them for 20 years.
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2004 - 04:29 AM UTC
Sounds like a great idea..1 question..How do you go about removing the sugar coating?
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2004 - 06:53 AM UTC
well, you can soak it off.....
or ..... well requires to you ..... just remember not to chew.......
that's how you get the fresh breath....... LOL LMAO
not recommended if you are dabetic though.
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2004 - 08:28 AM UTC
I really appreciate all of your responces. I think I will give the self hardening clay a go it seems I would like it better .
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2004 - 11:27 PM UTC
MILLIPUT that's da secret word!!
really works well

cheerz Q.
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