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Posted: Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:22 AM UTC
I figured I better get all my pant thinner cans all marked so I don't grab the wrong one down the line. I done some of them, now I better do the rest, and see if I need anything else for the oils I just got. If none of these will cover the oils then you need to tell me what I need to get to take care of that.
Parks 100% Mineral Spirits Paint thinner
Dupont 8022S Acrylic Enamel Reducer ?
Mister Thinzit deodorized Paint Thinner
Dupont3608S Acrylic Lacquer Thinner
Rubbing Alcohol 91%
That acrylic enamel reducer has me lost, there is acrylic paint, then there is enamel paint. That was something my brother never told me.
Thank you in advance for your help.

Kerry
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Posted: Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:48 AM UTC
Wow.... that's a pretty fancy assortment Kerry.
But I have no idea what you use them for.......
All I ever use are the following:
from Home Depot : Lacquer thinner..... in quart cans
from Home Depot : Paint Thinner/made with mineral spirits.....
in quart cans
From Kmart/Walmart : Windshield Washer Fliud : in gallon plastic bottle.
From Shop-rite/Stop N Shop : White Vinegar

Oh one more I forgot..... old fashion Zippo lighter fluid......
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Posted: Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:22 PM UTC
That Parks is the only new can that hasn't been opened, and the rest of them, well I tried the mister Thinzit, and I didn't like it at all,and there is only about 1/4" left in a gallon can anyway. The others I have no idea, that is why I'm asking.

Now the Parks 100% mineral spirits paint thinner, it is in a new can unopened, it has green lable it that means anything. I sure would like to make use of this if I could, cause a whole gallon would last a while. I can always transfer it over to easier containers, if it is usable.

Now for the white vinegar I missed this one before, what do you use this for, cause all the other things you listed I have, I even have white vinegar, but I have been using it for a totally different purpose then you have.

Cause I don't think you intended it for use in pickled beef tong, did you.
Now that you mention it, I do like plenty of salt and vinegar on them big french fries at Cedar Point, or any other fair
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Posted: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 02:10 AM UTC
White Vinegar---- I use when using a water color wash..... it tends to pull the pigment into the raised detail, rather than leave a water ring as plain water will do.

Also since it smells like Decal softeners, it may work for as a decal softener also. (although I haven't tried it for that..... YET!), and I say yet because I got several bottles of Micro sol&set, and Solvoset to use up.
Plus being an old man remembering Palisades Park, I still like crispy French fries, heavy on the salt and vinegar......
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Posted: Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 12:28 PM UTC
Do you seal the water color wash in under a dull coat then. That and I also heard people talk about colored pencils, but I just can't figure how you could use them to make anything permanent. I got the soft lead figured out a long time ago, but not the colored ones.

I have used water color to mix with my future. I just thought water color wash would rub off unless you could seal it some way, and if you do seal it, it doesn't conflict with the varnish then, or how does this work?
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:47 AM UTC
1. Colored Pencils..... I have a few, but rarely use them. I use a white one every now and then for gauges, but that's about it. Maybe I'll use a yellow or red to add more detail to the gauge, but it really depends on the scale, and if it's going to be seen.
I don't waste time detailing or worrying about what can't been seen. I have found that I can get just as good results with paint and a good Series 7 brush, or sharpend tookpick. Lately I've simply been using a punch set to punch out aircraft gauges. (OK so flogg me)
2. Water colors....... Mostly a simple process, I use a little vinegar instead of water and apply it as a spot wash. (I never do a total bath) all my washes are done as spot washes. I just prefer the water colors to oils, as to my eye they are more subdued, which is the effect I try for. Another great thing about water colors, if you put too much on, or don't like how it's going, simply wet a brush and take some off. When I'm happy with the wash, I'll MIST on a flat coat.
3. Oils....... beside for figures...... I use these for my dry brushing..... I mix up a little batch into my basic color I airbrushed the model with. (I use enamels, and they extend the drying time, and also help spread the dry brushing smoother) Your base enamels HAS to be completely cured. Mine dry a week or longer before I dry brush.
4. Inks...... I love these, and you don't need a bunch of colors either, just the basic black, white, green, sepia, red, (I prefer Brick Red) yellow, blue, and grey. I mix up a color close to my base color, and since they are transparent to begin with they become even more when thinned with plain old rubbing alcohol, and make fantastic filters. Just remember::: the thinner it is, the less air pressure you need. I spray these around 2 PSI, with an extra fine head, again MISTING them on. They will dry darker than you think, so if you can see them as you are spraying you already put too much on. They dry in a few minutes, and if you need another misting give it another one. The white with a little grey or sepia makes great dust when sprayed from a distance. When I'm happy, I MIST on a flat coat. Like pastels, the inks will tend to disappear under the flat coat, leaving just a hint of being there.
5 Pastels.... the last to go on, and unlike most pepole, I prefer them dry. I simply put them on with a brush, and work the into the flat coat. If I don't like it, a damp brush removes them, and start again. I don't spray a flat coat over them, since by this time the vehicle is already mounted to the base and ground work.
I them pull the base, ground work, and vehicle together with more pastels, and ink mistings.
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 08:41 PM UTC
I guess I don't even have any colored pencils anymore, but I was thinking they would never come off on plastic, even crayons as soft as they are don't even come off on plastic very well, but if you guys say they do they must.

Could I pick them inks up at a regular store like walmart, or homedepot, we just got one of those a couple months ago, somthing like that, just as long as I don't haft to go to something like a Michaels, cause they are right next to the resort hotels, and they got their prices 10 times higher then any other Michaels.

The W&N artist oils I ended up buying cost me 3.87 a tube, and at that Michaels here in town, for the tube not even 1/3 this size they wanted 10 dollars for the same color.Oh and by the way thank you Dave for helping on choosing the right colors there to, I got them all in now.
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 11:26 PM UTC
Kerry, I use Higgins or Dr. Martin inks. I don't know if you can get them at Walmart. I get the from the art supply house, Pearl Paints. http://www.pearlpaint.com/ I never did on line or mail order with them.
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Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 10:00 AM UTC
Hello Dave, I went to this pearlpaint.com
I was looking at was their colored pencils, and the only thing they showed was water color pencils, now when you say colored pencils, are these special colored pencils, or just ask for colored pencils, that have a lead like a regular pencil, only colored, cause like I said this place you showed me only has water salable pencils that I could find.
Then I foumd the seach button and when I typed in Higgins it only give 1 color that was Black India # 4413 1 FL oz. for $ 2.36, so I typed in Dr. Martin and all they say they got from them is water colors, so I don't know.

The only inks they come up with was Sumi Inks, that I could find on their site.Unless I done the search, and wrote in Higgins Inks, and like I said they only give this one.
I think they just give a sample of what they got, they did mention a free catalog, in 3 to 4 weeks, and orders less then $50 bucks, cost $6.95 handling fees.
I don't think they want you going through all their stuff unless they know for sure your going to buy, that is why they only show one item, I guess they are afraid of people giving viruses, and things, so I guess you can't blame them.

I think I would be cautious to, course I don't know how these computers work, but I know they aren't much fun when you got problems with them.

Which I been having trouble myself, and that is another thing I got to find a way to find to get fixed, cause this is way out of my league.
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Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 01:48 PM UTC
Sumi inks are not what you need.
Higgins make a vast assortment of different color drawing inks, both non water-proof, and water-proof, and the store has a regular rack filled with them. They last time I bought some they were about 4 bucks a bottle, and last what seems forever as long as the are tightly capped.
Dr. Martin makes liquid water colors, liquid acrylics, and drawing inks, and the store again has racks of them. At least the store I go to. As I said, I never mail ordered or webbed ordered from them. I use to live down the road from the Paramus store so it was a simple matter to go there. Now I'm about 40 miles away, and still swing by every now and then.
I was talking to a few illustrators I know and they told me it was getting harder and harder to find a lot of the old stand-by we learned on, due to computer generations. I got a "cartoonist supply house a few miles from me, when I get a chance I'll stop in and see what they got.. A lot of the specialized papers we use to use ( and learned on) are no longer being made, hopefully this is not the case for drawing inks.

The color pencils are either a pastel type in a wooden pencil, or a more waxy type, in a wooden pencil, I never used water color pencils, but would imagine they would blend (on paper) after being drawn when a little water was applied. As I said, I'm not really a big fan of color pencils, and prefer a good series 7 brush or sharpend toothpick.
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