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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 07:08 AM UTC
Ti. if you still around. I have a question. Those pine trees you made are awesome. Just by taking a look at the pictures below you can tell they are really good looking even at close view. Just check out the bark on some of them. BTW, great ground cover. Certainly looks like being out in the forest.

My question is what is this glycinrene that you used on the ferns? Where can i get it? Maybe someone else knows as well.

One of the best looking trees I've seen so far.










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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 07:14 AM UTC
looks as it the ground is just covered with sheet moss...in my opinion it should have more grass and other mid height bushes and young trees. Forests arent ever that dominated by one plant.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 07:17 AM UTC
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/39952&page=1

these branches are from a company called bragdon enterprises
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 07:55 AM UTC
It seems like he used the same thing I did for the trees. I can't remember what it's called but I know you can get it at Michael's craft stores.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 07:58 AM UTC
I don't think he bought them. They are ferns from the flourist. On the subject of forest being dominated by just one plant there are places I seen which are, well at least a small section that is.
I think he was trying to model a portion of the part that was dominated by pines.
I don't think it's bad looking at all. It beats paying an arm or a leg for new ones. I think the sheet moss represents the grass.

Eh, nice looking pines Monte.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 12:15 PM UTC
this glycinrene product is available in arts & crafts shops for drying plants and perserving their colour. There are shops here in Sweden that sell this stuff along with all the usual, candle making stuff,doll making, etc etc. You must have something similar in the states. Its possible, that it is also available in florists or places where dried flower displays are available.

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looks as it the ground is just covered with sheet moss...in my opinion it should have more grass and other mid height bushes and young trees. Forests arent ever that dominated by one plant.


Cannot agree with this comment. I have often been for walks through forests, that nothing hardly lives. They are so tall and all the light is blocked out, just dead compost. Young trees might grow more on the outskirts of the forest where the trees are thinner and some light gets in. Same goes with grass and midheight bushes. If there is any life in gaps ... it usually is ferns or similar.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 12:44 PM UTC
I also agree with plasticbattle statement. Especially here in Sweden where theres many pine trees and very few under growth in cetain areas.

Personally I love that forest scene especially those trees. Nice technic.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 12:57 PM UTC

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Cannot agree with this comment. I have often been for walks through forests, that nothing hardly lives



alright, i spend my summers in the bush, so i have a failry good knowledge on how pine trees look :-) :-)

the trees on the pics are to straight, the bark doesnt have any imprfections, if you plan on building pine trees liek they have in the bush, were they are left alone for years with no one to cut them, they get realy realy hight and they are no more than 6-5 inches in diameter. the branches are scarce, onyl a few, but only at the top( the trees are so tall and there so many that like plastic battle said, theres no light at the ground. and the ground is sandish with only moss ( were i go, migth be different dpendaing on location)

looks as it the ground is just covered with sheet moss...in my opinion it should have more grass and other mid height bushes and young trees. Forests arent ever that dominated by one plant. (sorry, i couldnt get the quotes to work) i dont agree with the young trees, the old ones are so tall and block so much light, that most of them die, unless they are besides a road, then there green foliqage will be towards the road and the dead towards the shade

just thought it coudl be useful to let you know,
Frank


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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 02:10 PM UTC

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one coment on your pine trees diesel................. the lower portion of some of them look JUST LIKE telephone polls. But hey, i have not seen much of that type of tree/tree growth (all trees here are somewhat stunted and beaten by the wind a LOT)



First thanks for all the reply but you guys are really bashing these trees. Please, I've seen worst homemade trees than these. Even commercial trees sometimes don't come close.
I know one should try being a little realistic but how anal can one get???
I mean let's face it guys, telephone poles, good one, but I don't think they really that bad.

You said the pine trees look all straight. Not all look that straight . I've seen some in real life that looks almost straight. Anyway, thanks for the critism although
they are not mine.

BTW, I'm sure the author used shhet moss to represent grass. What's wrong with that. I'm sure you'll use something else in your modelling. Everyone cannot be alike.

Boy, if everyone would be doing the same - how boring would things be???

Anyway, the main reason for this post was to ask the author about the perserving chemical he used to make them.

I guess you can't please everyone. Thanks all.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 02:15 PM UTC
I guess you can't please everyone. There's bound to be some likes and dislikes. That's good because everyone has different methods even though some may not agree.

All-in-all, this is suppose to be a fun hobby, right?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 06:41 PM UTC
Well i guess some people are more interested on how to make the most acurate model passible becuase usually thats the point of modeling...to model things as they are. Im fine with people having fun altering what they see to create shortcuts but thats fine. It is a hobby for the person, they decide what pleases them while building. As for the forest controversy, i find that the sheet moss would more accuatly model fern fronds rather than grass, you should use the static or field grass for that. Also, the branches should start further up the trunk, as said before, but they should be more densly packed. About glycerine, you can buy that at your supermarket or any floral or crafts store. It is used to preserve the plant but not harden it so that it is brittle. Hope this helps and i didnt offend anyone with suggestions
ian
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 11:51 PM UTC

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First thanks for all the reply but you guys are really bashing these trees.


I hope I didnt come across as bashing the trees ... I think they look great. For a first dio, Ti has made a great job of these. At this scale how much texture can be seen realistically. Looking through the pictures there is loads of texture and shape (see the second last picture).

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Also, the branches should start further up the trunk, as said before, but they should be more densly packed.


Actually its quite possible that there are branches the whole way down to head height, but they whither and die because of the already mentioned problem of no sunlight. I agree they would be more dense nearer the top.

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BTW, I'm sure the author used shhet moss to represent grass.


I cant speak for the man himself, but as they are in clumps, it seems to portray ferns in my eyes. If you look at charles´s models you´ll see hes got a keen eye for detail. Im sure if he wanted to show grass, he would have used static grass or similar.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:35 AM UTC
Don't worry Frank, I asn't referring to you. I think there are great texture in those trees and they are not all even.
I guess we'll just have to hear from the man himself. Frank, you seem to know ti better.

Ian, thanks for the tip on where to get the glycerine.


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If you look at charles´s models you´ll see hes got a keen eye for detail.



I think I've seen some. As he done anything of late. The last one I saw was a 1/20 scale of a CIWS, i think. A real beast.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 04:39 AM UTC
Well Well Well, I kinda waited for the day when my modelling skills would come under attack. An d boy it just did :-)

To put things into perspective I tell you all the deal here.

1. First of all, modellers are different in every way, especially their methods of doing things. There is no right or wrong way to achieve a goal, at least not in this hobby.

2. People are entitle to their opinions. Be it negative or positive.

3. Only the author or builder knows why he has chosen to do things a certain way, regardless if other modellers disagree.

4. The resaon I used the sheet moss was to represent slightly overgrown shrubs in certain areas that I wa modelling. There is lots of forestry in Sweden, believe, most swedes will tell you and I practically in live near a huge one. I had taken a trip into this certain part of the forest where a particular area caught my eye. This area had less pine trees, very tall and sparsely grown leaves.

Some had branches starting almost at mid-level and were not abundance at all. Some of the pines do look like telephone poles as you politing put it but but do in real life. I believe my trees have texture as it's hardly visible in some of the pics diesel posted but if you would see them up close they do present some indentations and imperfections.

Don't worry, I'm not upset or any thing just trting to put the record straight. What another person might be used to seeing is not always the same for another person.

So there you have all, my view to all the unbelievers

BTW Ian, thanks for the tip on where to get the glycerine. Please remember I did these trees over 9 years ago and I think for wha tI knew back then still represents itself pretty well.

BTW Frank, thanks for the link. I'm hoping to go to the next IPMS with you in march. Probably bring some of my models.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 09:27 AM UTC

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this glycinrene product is available in arts & crafts shops for drying plants and perserving their colour. You must have something similar in the states.



You can get glycerin here in the states at your local pharmacy. BTW, I think the trees are great.

Patrick
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:10 AM UTC

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You can get glycerin here in the states at your local pharmacy. BTW, I think the trees are great.

Patrick




Thank you.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:15 AM UTC

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Well Well Well, I kinda waited for the day when my modelling skills would come under attack. An d boy it just did :-)

To put things into perspective I tell you all the deal here.

1. First of all, modellers are different in every way, especially their methods of doing things. There is no right or wrong way to achieve a goal, at least not in this hobby.

2. People are entitle to their opinions. Be it negative or positive.

3. Only the author or builder knows why he has chosen to do things a certain way, regardless if other modellers disagree.

4. The resaon I used the sheet moss was to represent slightly overgrown shrubs in certain areas that I wa modelling. There is lots of forestry in Sweden, believe, most swedes will tell you and I practically in live near a huge one. I had taken a trip into this certain part of the forest where a particular area caught my eye. This area had less pine trees, very tall and sparsely grown leaves.

Some had branches starting almost at mid-level and were not abundance at all. Some of the pines do look like telephone poles as you politing put it but but do in real life. I believe my trees have texture as it's hardly visible in some of the pics diesel posted but if you would see them up close they do present some indentations and imperfections.

Don't worry, I'm not upset or any thing just trting to put the record straight. What another person might be used to seeing is not always the same for another person.

So there you have all, my view to all the unbelievers

BTW Ian, thanks for the tip on where to get the glycerine. Please remember I did these trees over 9 years ago and I think for wha tI knew back then still represents itself pretty well.

BTW Frank, thanks for the link. I'm hoping to go to the next IPMS with you in march. Probably bring some of my models.



...and I couldn't have said it better. Thanks for clearing things up. Nice job by the way.
Thanks Patrick for the tip.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:27 AM UTC
Yeah, i didnt mean to attack your work. I guess forests come in very different forms. Here in the states forests tend to be really wild and crazy

now that picture is a rather tame area of the forest. Alor of the forest is gangly bushes etc. But yea im impressed on how well they look after doing them 8 years ago that amazing
keep em coming
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:41 AM UTC
sorry ti, i guess i was a little critical, it was intended for a good purpose tho.

if you dont mind, i could manage to get you some realy nice pine tree pictures, ones that are realy worth seeing.

so if you want soem let me know and il try to get my hands on some

Frank

p.s. the trees arnt bad, there actualy real good, i mean, i cant even build pien trees lol
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:34 PM UTC
I know this post had just about everything said that should be said.... but I am going to toss one or few things in.

You have to remember that there is a variety of pine trees out there, each of them has a unique way of growing. You will find pines where majority of the growth occurs at the bottom, some where it occurs in the middle and some that will green only at the top.

As to the undergrowth, I grew up in Poland-in the summer time I used to spend a lot of time in the woods. I recall parts of the forests where you could see nothing but dead pine needles on the ground... the branches did not begin up to 6-7 feet above ground. No undergrowth because of the pin needles covering ALL of the ground.

Then there are the forests with a mix of trees and the undergrowth patching like small nations across the forest floor -if you know what I mean.

Hope this helps.

PS-great work on the trees-I really like it and am looking forward to trying this method.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:47 PM UTC
No problem guys. I respect all opinions regardless.
Fracois, you could send some pics if you like to. It would be nice to see some that you have more experience with.

Tommy, you are so right , pine trees are a little different where ever you go but thank you for the comment. Give it a try. Remember, you can add more branches to make it more densily. Let me know
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Posted: Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:40 AM UTC
Nice statement Ti. I'm trying out your method and it seems to be doing well. You are right, pine trees look differ and from my window they pretty mucg look the same as the ones you have modelled.

BTW, what are you working on as your next project?
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