G'day guys
browsing around and i found this diorama on WW2 model maker, by Sung Ho Park, of Korea.
Ive gotta say this is in my opinion, the most touchiest subject for a diorama, maybe even moreso than POW camps.
Anyways, wondering what you all think.
Personally, very well done Diorama, and it is a very serious subject matter, but, its a histrorically accurate piece, and i see no real problem with it...maybe the lil girl was a tad bit too much.

cheers (moderators, dont delete this please...if the topic gets outta hand by all means scrap it, but lets see how it goes first ey)

oops, linked stuffed up

Dio

This has come up many times before and people got ina big hussle about it seach for the post and yo will see

Didn't realize it had been around armorama before, oh well, what do you think of it then mate?

Well, like it or not, it happened. ( Or similar situations) Why is it that someone can write a book or film a movie about such touchy subjects and people walk away with tears in their eyes. But build a model or dio about it and people lose their minds!
Personally, I think it is a very moving piece. I don't think that it glorifies what happened but tells a story, just as any good dio should.
The builders skills are incredible also.

Thats it Steve, exactly what i reckon, i certainly dont understand how someone can try and belittle his work and make it out to be totally evil and hideous...when they could just say nothing at all, or say they think it went overboard, i read the comments on WW2 MM and some of the posts were totally disgusting, especially when people said things saying that Just because the blokes a Korean, he has no right to build a diorama on such a subject, funny that an american can pass on this decisiion, when it didnt happen to you guys either ( thats not an attack on americans, just that one guys comment)

I have seen this before but never commented on it, I suppose because my feelings were not clear about it. I am clear now. I do not think I would make such a model, because it is the one of the most most embarrassing things happened in all human history. I prefer better scenes. This does not mean that I prefer forgetting these mistakes that we made in history. We have to remember them.

About another person making such a diorama? I would not disagree... After all this is reality and some people might want to make others remember that reality one way... There are too many films especially about Auschwitz, which we do not comment negatively. Why would we comment negatively on this dio? It touches the feelings deep inside...

I like it, but I would not build one...

Regards.
Cagin.

Yeah, this has been debated several times Dave.

Must say, I didn't specifically recall the dio by means of the name. Seeing it again has the same affect it did the first time... almost reduced me to tears... not a good thing when at a client...

This is one of the few dios I have seen dealing with the ruthless butchering of minority groups by the Nazi party. Highly effective!

Must admit to thinking of doing a vignette for A,AAO of a Nazi trooper dragging a screaming minority group child from it's mother's arms... alas time did not permit...

Hi,

yep, this has been here before and the diorama can be called, as we found out the last time, controversial.

Let's all be careful that we don't get carried away in this topic. These subjects are sometimes like little bombs in a forum, they can explode in no time.

Let's all be careful and respectful on this one.

I wouldnt build one myself either, infact i dont think id ever toutch on the holocaust.
certainly never portray children in any sort of harm, i believe thats definetly a NO-NO.
Im with Danny, lets all be mighty careful were this one goes...infact maybe we should quit qhile we are ahead.

Thanks Danny good call and well put.

I'll take my hat off to the posting members. This diorama has created quite a stir in the past. The post to this point are fine.

This is a touchie subject (similar to a recent thread) and we simply need to be respectful and polite and voice our opinions knowing that others in other countires with other beliefs are going to read it.

Post and discuss and be respectful.

My opinion on why a diorama is viewed differently from a movie is that it is a static depiction of a scene that does not change or move on in time. A move shows the scene and then moves on .

Thanks for being respectful and please continue

As i have stated earlier in the same theme discussion, a real fact modelled in a dio has nothing bad..if...its done properly and for the modelling purposes to represent and recreate and not for intentionally shockin goal. Thus the specific dio is well modelled for sure and though the feelings of this scene come unbelievably cruel and sad and whateverything else, is modelling . So we can keep it polite as said before and goes till here. Controversiall themes in modelling is a part of it , but since its just for the art of the hobby i wont be negative on them.

Dioramas like this one have a place in our world. Only in a museum dedicated to the teaching of people about the horror of war. This diorama would be better used as a teaching aid and not as a feature on a modelling website or magazine. Lets face it its a horrible and foul act but it should never be forgotten. I just dont think it has any place here. I have real mixed feelings on it but I strongly believe it has no place at a contest or the like. I think any Vet would be able to tell you it has no place here, its just too sensitive a subject. I spent a large portion of my life in the military and have seen alot , I dont need to see it in miniature as well and neither do my kids.
Just my 2 cents worth ..take it for what its worth.
Bryan

I thought it was a very moving piece. I think the skill of the builder is fantastic. I would not build one with such a theme.

I find this to be an incredible piece of art. Yes, I say art. In my opinion the creator of this diorama has gone well beyond what I call model-building. His modeling skills are exceptional but what really gets me is the story. Yes, the topic is touchy. Some people hate this dio for the simple fact that it represents one of the blackest periods in human history, history nonetheless.

Some people say they enjoy the skills but not the story and that they themselves would never attempt to model anything this controversial. I really like this piece. I like everything about it. I like that every time I look at it my heart skips a beat and I get teary eyed. The message here is very powerful. Just look at the little girl in a red dress. She looks so innocent holding a teddy bear yet the expression on her face says it all..."How dare you Mr. Soldier!"... I see this girl and I think about my daughter. What would it be like if it were her in that situation. I simply cannot fathom this thought.

Would I model something like this? I don't know. If I had the skill to pull it off, then perhaps I would.

I do not see what is CONTROVERSIAL about it! It war and it's NOT PRETTY, I get so sick and tired of these military modellers (and no offence to anyone that disagrees) that set around and build military models and forget that these are weapon of death! For those of you that haven't had the "opportunity" to see real war ... news flash! PEOPLE DIE! PEOPLE ARE MAMED! CHILDERN DIE! WOMEN DIE! A bullet doesn't know the difference between crime and innocents! So if you are going to model weapons of war, understand that it's not pretty. weapon kill people and I think people forget that.
So to me it NOT controversial it's fact, there is no SHOCK FACTOR, it's fact ... and if you can not deal with the facts of war and what it does to people then I would reccommend that you model another subject. PERIOD!

Sorry for the rant, I respect everyones opinion, just make sure it's based in reality, over and out.

Dave

I found the peice very moving and thought provoking. It may be contorversial but so what? Military modeling isn't just about the machinery of war, it's about people and the sometimes horrible and tragic circumstances they find themselves in. Many of the posters here have said we must never forget those atrocities and I concur. One of the best ways of remeberance for people in our hobby is exactly what Mr. Park has done here. I agree there must be boundries of taste and respect for the feelings of the observers, but we as modelers should not be afraid of showing the reality of war just because it may provoke negetive feelings in some people. After all provoking people's reactions is one way to elevate our passion from a hobby to an art form, and I for one would call that a very good thing.

Please remember what Scott and I asked.... be careful with this topic, and lets stay away from rants.

It has all been said before... subjects like these have no winners and no loosers..... Let's keep it peaceful in here !!

And please do not "over-use" capitals... people who are interested in this subject will read the posts anyway, there's no need to overdo things with the use of capitals.

I had a long diatribe about my thoughts on this particular piece...and was going to use a quote from George Santana, but I found this on a website...these are not my words, but sum up basically how I feel about it.

"History is the remembering of things from the past. "Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it." --- George Santana. It is true that if we do not learn from the past those lessons there for us, we will make the same mistakes, travel the same roads, again. Only by learning as we go through life are we able to build upon that wisdom and knowledge. Otherwise, we are prone to travel the same ways repeatedly.

If we do not learn from past experiences, good or bad, we have failed to become better people by growing in wisdom and knowledge. "

I think Mr. Park did a superb job in portraying the moment...the atrocity itself has yet to happen, and yet we know what the outcome, sad as it is, will be. Sadly, some will chalk this up to 'War is hell, war is bad'. This piece isn't about war...it's about murder, plain and simple. The Jewish population was slaughtered, they weren't combatants, they were innocent civilians, as this piece clearly portrays.

This piece evokes strong emotion in me...of sadness, of anger, of not being able to comprehend the cruelty and savagery of man.

I hold Mr. Park in high esteem for this piece of work. He took it just far enough to invoke the thoughts and emotions in our own minds, without visually showing us the after-effects of the actions that are about to take place.

That, sadly, is how we have to look at it. If he were going for shock value, then the deed would already have been done, or partly done. Anything less, and the piece loses the impact and doesn't make you think about it. A striking work, very well done, of a very sad moment in the history of mankind as a whole.

Jeff Herne

There are a lot of famous dios out there, most notably Shep Paines' Monogram dios are known and seen by so many people.

I wonder if Mr. Park realizes how famous his dio has become among the model discussion boards? This is at least the 3rd site I've seen it. Regardless of whether you think it's in good taste or not, you have to be moved by the message.

It basicly boils down to taste, could this diorama stand for a actual event. If i did a diorama with a sniper team with terroists in their sights would that upset people. The dio was great, but it depend on the viewer.

the craftsmanship in the diorama is amazing, but i do not make scenes like this right now, as i prefer to stick to the "peaceful" parts of the war....if you get what i meant by that.
-just my thoughts
shain

I think it's important to note that some of the images of this dio were removed from WWIIMM as they were more graphic angles of the diorama that show what is *in* the pit. So some of you are only seeing a selected part of the piece.

Jim

G'day guys
Bryan Gray- i fully understand where you are coming from when you say it has no place on a modelling site, but then again, i believe that no matter where it is, if it opens someones eyes to what happened, or gives them more of an insight to the holocaust, then it is fine wherever it may be viewed, in person, or on the internet.

Dave Milburn- not nit picking you mate, but you seemed to be a little peeved i decided to classify this as a "controversial" diorama, well mate, i believe it is controversial, something that gets very different opinions, and has the possibility of stirring up a bit of a heated debate, is controversial, so i reckon its an appropriate title.

cheers guys