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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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PanzerKarl
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 06:38 AM UTC
I have added a link to my last post of a picture of the Tiger II camo scheme.ill also add the link here.and many thanks to the bear for trying to find a link also cheers. http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger2.htm Scroll down to last picture.cheers
Blade48mrd
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 09:08 AM UTC
Tigeriv -

Great link and reference aid, very much appreciated. Excellent job on your King Tiger and appreciate the post as I've got the Tamiya "Ardennes Front" King Tiger for my "AGE 2" OOB build. This will help and inspire my build. Maybe you can help out (or someone out there that has the info) with some more information on the King Tigers? I've been using my Osprey "Ardennes 1944: Peiper and Skorzeny" book for reference help which has several photos of the King Tigers of schwere SS-Panzer-Abteilung 501 that was assigned to Kampfgruppe Peiper. I'm planning on doing King Tiger "204" that made it to La Gleize, then abandoned during Peiper's retreat. Anyway, they show, of course, "222" (numbers are blue with white outline) and "204" (numbers are black with white outline). The problem is that the Tamiya kit has "204" but with red numbers, white outline. Does anyone know which is correct? The black and white photos obviously don't help, but are the "Color Plates" accurate? Appreciate the help. Again, a great build Tigeriv!

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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 10:24 AM UTC
Hi Blade, in this case Tamiya got it right. During the Bulge the second company of SS501 had red numbers outlined in white, the first, black with a white outline, and the third, blue with a yellow outline. (there is an ongoing debate among some, on other forums, about the third company colors, personally I believe blue and yellow, but the first and second companies it's agreed were as I said above)

HTH,
Mike
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 11:15 AM UTC
I enjoyec the article, especially about range finding. We called the steroscopic range finder "coincidence whcih were used on several of our tanks prior to the lazer rangefinder finally being perfected
Blade48mrd
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 11:21 AM UTC
Thanks to both you guys. Tigeriv for the link and Kelley for the info.

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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2005 - 06:16 AM UTC
Hi Blade ...I have to agree with Mike on this one ...I'd go with red and white for 204...BUT 222 was a vehicle picked up from the 509th just in time to fill up the ranks for the BOB it has been discussed a bit but I'd say the numbers were just dark yellow ...They do seem lighter around the edges but I think it was just the way they painted the outline harder and just filled in the middle lightly...Again if anyone is interested I've got about 10 pictures of 222 on my Hard drive if you want I can post them in my photo gallery and you can make up your own minds .

Rick
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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2005 - 06:49 AM UTC
Richard -

Thanks for the feedback. I'm sticking with the "204" and will use the red with white as provided (definitely makes that easier). I've got "PM" from Silantra and we both agree with your agreement and will go with the red. A couple photos of "222" would be great and I'm sure there are others looking at King Tigers for the "Ardennes" Campaign that would benefit, especially since the "Ambush" scheme will be shown. Silantra's King Tiger, of course, is another excellent examlpe of the "Ambush". Thanks again,

Blade48mrd
Easy_Co
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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2005 - 07:22 AM UTC
Ive just found a nice photo of 204 abandoned on the road to Gue, with a duce and half passing it, I can make out the number easy enough but its Black &white so no help.
thebear
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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2005 - 07:50 AM UTC
I just added 10 pictures to my photo gallery there are 8 of 222 taken during and after the BOB and a couple of 204 for you guys ..I'll leave them there for acouple of days for those who are interested ..
Notice the 222 is a soft edge ambush scheme.204 is a hard edged cammo but I'm not sure if it is ambush ..that for you guys to deside.

hope these help
Rick
Blade48mrd
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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2005 - 09:36 AM UTC
Richard -

Thanks for the photos and they are helpful. The one "204kt" from the side seems to indicated evidence of the "Ambush" scheme especially looking at the rear, side armor area. One source I found said that all the King Tigers of schwere-SS-Panzer-Abteilung 501 had the "Ambush" scheme, though not which were hard vs soft edge. Anyway, a weathered down version of the "Ambush" scheme would seem to work as that is what "204" looks to have. Thanks again,

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Posted: Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 06:02 AM UTC
AHHH HA ! Nope not all the KT's had the Ambush Scheme in 501st ..332 that was sent back to the States didn't have any spots at all (another last minute replacement I think)...As for 204 I remember a discussion about that picture and some thought it was more spots on the picture than on the tank ...Hey it's up to you .

Rick
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