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Another Recovered Russian AFV...
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 05:40 AM UTC
This vehicle was recovered in 2000, it had served with the 20th SS (Estonian) Division. For more images, go here:

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/index.html







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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 05:43 AM UTC
Thats incredible! I think tyhats the first time I have ever seen a captured Russian tank in such great clarity! What a find!
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 05:51 AM UTC
Hi Jim!

The yesterday article on the recovery, really pop-out some interesting storyes and different diorama possibilityes!

Thank you for sharing

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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:00 AM UTC
It's incredible that it's so well preserved, after so many years.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:09 AM UTC
I knew I had this on my Favorites List:
Kubinka Recoveries

Although I think that they have a "strange" policy about visitors and the type of camera and kind of pictures that you can take

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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:13 AM UTC
That tank looks good after 60 years of mud and water.

Greetz Rob!
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:20 AM UTC
I see what you mean about Kubinka - Very friendly...Jim :-)


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Any attempts of the citizens of NO Russian Federation (including former-USSR) to visit museum with the Russian visitors could be qualified as the UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS. The violator could be accused in the ESPIONAGE. In all halls there're the video-camera control and the FSB (former KGB) officials. Any attempts to leave your travel agent representative and to visit the next military instantiation area could be qualified as the unauthorized access too.

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The Russian military officials DO NOT LIKE the model makers (the regular violators of the museum rules)
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:30 AM UTC
Yes very very Friendly!! :-) :-)

Well, if a foreigner spend a lot of $ to go there, it should be able to take some decent pics!
That is a Museum, not a Russian Modern Military Base

Go and try to understand this...

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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:38 AM UTC
Wait, now the experten will debate the actual color of the vehicle, whether or not the last 60 years in a bog effected the shading, etc.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:44 AM UTC

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Wait, now the experten will debate the actual color of the vehicle, whether or not the last 60 years in a bog effected the shading, etc.


Do I detect just the teensies-weeniest touch of sarcasm there?....Jim :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:58 AM UTC
wow, how do you think that tank got in there?
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 07:36 AM UTC
There has to be something about the mud and water quality to preserve items so well..... maybe I wouldn't be allowed to take pictures, but I wonder if they would mind a few months soaking wearing a mask and snorkel..... :-) :-)
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 07:47 AM UTC
Well, count me out in being present at the recovery...Jim :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 09:36 AM UTC
It is public knowledge that the main Russian AFV development and research facilities are in Kubinka, That's what they are so sensitive about. The funny thing is the people that are in the right line of business already know what is going on there mor or less. It's us poor scale freaks that suffer in the end. Imagine what You'd have to spend if you wanted to make pics just in the German WW2 section?
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 10:46 AM UTC
I think i heard that it was a peat bog and that is what preserved it so well.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 10:51 AM UTC

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There has to be something about the mud and water quality to preserve items so well..... maybe I wouldn't be allowed to take pictures, but I wonder if they would mind a few months soaking wearing a mask and snorkel.....

i wouldnt do that dave, we need an old wart to watch over us :-)

why do we weatehr tanks? this one spent how many years in mud and water and theres barely any rust haha! now i can say that my tanks that look liek they got out of the factory served in batlles :-)
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 12:38 PM UTC

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it had served with the 20th SS (Estonian) Division

I believe they were on the/or of the German side. Probably captured it, and put it to work for themselves.
Just read my Hannants E-mail, seems DML/Dragon has a T-34 released in German markings, could possibly be these marking. I don't know.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 01:03 PM UTC
most likely it was captured, that would be the only explanation I can think of for the German markings. And yes DML has released a captured T-34/76 in 1/35

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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 01:07 PM UTC
I wouldnt be surprised if some reenacter was drunk and accidently drove it in the lake a couple days before they recovered it. lol, thats in excellent condition.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 10:32 PM UTC

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i'm curious too know why it appears to have certain German markings on it, namely the black and white cross ?


As someone said earlier, it had been captured - the Germans used considerable amounts of captured Soviet equipment, in this case a T-·34/76 which they had modified - the commander's cupola is from a PzIII - there should also be a Notek light on the front... This subject of captured Soviet equipment in German service is an extraordinarily rich study area, something I am only beginning to scratch the surface of at the moment. For an introduction to this, here is a link for an incredibly good photo-archive:

http://beute.narod.ru/ ...Jim

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