Great pics Tomek good reference material, definitely keepers. Now I have pics. for horiz. & vert. and also a wierd construction of a Russian roof framework for attaching hay or straw to, but I can't seem to find it . Oh well I'll probally find it when I don't need it and I'm looking for something else. I gotta get some kind of filing system, I mean I know its here - somewhere. - Cheyenne