http://www.theserpentswall.com/
The third is a bit weird, are we looking at a Lee?
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jimbrae
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 06:13 AM UTC
While Googling, I discovered these. They are part of this totally extrordinary site:..Jim
http://www.theserpentswall.com/
The third is a bit weird, are we looking at a Lee?
http://www.theserpentswall.com/
The third is a bit weird, are we looking at a Lee?
Slug
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 06:54 AM UTC
Thats a great site, It makes me want to buy a metal detector & go exploring battle sites.
Thanks for sharing Jim
Thanks for sharing Jim
95bravo
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 07:30 AM UTC
What I find so amazing is how well preserved the turret is! It appears to have very little decay. Submerged in the mud like that slowed the rusting process it woud seem.
TreadHead
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 08:04 AM UTC
Howdy Jim,
Thx for posting both the link and the pics! As to your statement regarding the identity of the submerged hull...." The third is a bit weird, are we looking at a Lee? ".....
From what little I can see it looks like the left front section of a regular M4 'early hull. But since the Sherman is supposed to be a Russian (Lend/Lease?), then it would have to be an M4A2 model.....correct Shermanaholics?...?
Oh, and 95Bravo. I have read about these excavations before, and in almost every case the pieces themselves are extraordinarily preserved. I believe it has something to do with the very high level of Peat in the soil.....
Tread.
Thx for posting both the link and the pics!
As to your statement regarding the identity of the submerged hull...." The third is a bit weird, are we looking at a Lee? ".....From what little I can see it looks like the left front section of a regular M4 'early hull. But since the Sherman is supposed to be a Russian (Lend/Lease?), then it would have to be an M4A2 model.....correct Shermanaholics?...?
Oh, and 95Bravo. I have read about these excavations before, and in almost every case the pieces themselves are extraordinarily preserved. I believe it has something to do with the very high level of Peat in the soil.....
Tread.
95bravo
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 08:23 AM UTC
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Thats a great site, It make me want to buy a metal detector & go exploring battle sites.
Thanks for sharing Jim
This is sort of related, when I was stationed in Germany back in the 80s, we would walk the Volksmarch trails back off in the woods after a heavy rain to see what sorts of goodies we could find from the war. Most items were spent rounds or casings, though once we found an unexploded rifle launched grenade. We let EOD know where it was.... A German friend of mine found a dress dagger once.
Teacher
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 08:28 AM UTC
The author of that site, a woman known as Elena, has also written an amazing account of Chernobyl as it is now, I read this some time ago and it's well worth the read.
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/
Vinnie
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/
Vinnie
DaveCox
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 08:42 AM UTC
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Howdy Jim,
Thx for posting both the link and the pics!
From what little I can see it looks like the left front section of a regular M4 'early hull. But since the Sherman is supposed to be a Russian (Lend/Lease?), then it would have to be an M4A2 model.....correct Shermanaholics?...?
Tread.
I agree tread - M4A2 is most likely, but I believe they may also have had some M4s. Definitely an early or mid hull Shermie though. Doesn't look like a 76mm turret either IMHO, especially from the M34A1 mantlet and the 'ears' by the barrel tube.
TreadHead
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 10:55 AM UTC
I was thinking almost the exact same thing Dave.....Tread.
95bravo
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 11:54 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The author of that site, a woman known as Elena, has also written an amazing account of Chernobyl as it is now, I read this some time ago and it's well worth the read.
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/
Vinnie
Man, what a web site...what a way to spend a summer!
Plasticat
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 12:26 PM UTC
Wow, thanks for posting this Jim. I am always amazed by these types of photos. Makes me wonder what else is just under the surface. Just like the posts of the captured T34/76 that was recovered out of a bog a little bit ago. It sure does fire up the imagination.
jimbrae
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Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 04:23 AM UTC
It's actually worth spending a bit of time reading her website - it's really funny in places...Jim
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