Hello again!

Heres a pic of the composition Im workin on.


Also see thread about suggestion for title:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/51482&page=1

The problem now is the lightning of this shadow box to be. I want a strong light coming from the window to represent sunlight. Ive found a 12V 21w car lamp(actually a breaklight lamp) that looks pretty good. The lamp however gets pretty warm and Im afraid that the heat will destroy parts of this boxed diorama.

Does anyone have an optional solution?
Do you think a fan in the top of the box will solve this?
At what temperature does it get dangerous?

Please help me with this.

Cheers

Have you considered a white LED instead of a white incandescent?

Gee, that was fast, are you tailing me?
Ive tried LED, high intensity LED but the just dont do it. Not even a half dozen of then.

Cheers

Toke,

How about just using natural light for your window?

Toke,

I know very less about the techniques of shadow boxes, althoug I like them very much.
So I don't know how many space you have left.
If you have the space, I would suggest you place the lamp on a spot where the heat can't damage the model and use little mirrors to lead the light to the window. I asume there's some space between the walls we see and the actual back of the box?
Place the lamp behind the wall of the upper staircase.
Place a mirror in a 45 degree angle behind the corner at the door and place a second mirror in a 45 degree angle by the window. You have some sort of light tunnel.
Is that something or am I saying something impossable?

Toke,

I would use the natural light to shine though the window.

During the final stages of the fights at the bridge, the weather was pretty lousy....a lot of rain, so I won't hang in too much on the sunshine idea. You'll get away with just a little light shining through.

what about a little christmas tree light? They are small and have enough light to show your good work.

Thanks for replying.

Natural light aint enough and additionally this is going to be a boxed diorama and the viewpoint limited.

Mirrors (reflectors, bouncecards) is a good idea. Im gonna try out a few settings. At least it limits the amount of light need for the scene.

The usual christmas tree light does not provide enough of light.

Ive talked to a friend of mine regarding the fan after Ive posted. ANd by judging by his knowledge the fan is gonna help much to push the heated air out of the box. Additionally he suggested that I cover nearby areas in aluminium foil to detract heat whenever possible.

Thanks for the tips.

A fan would be a good idea and very easy to do if you buy a reasonably high quality fan for a PC case: the addd bonus is that these are designed to run off 12V and to run silently.

They cost about £10 (for a 120mm fan), slightly less for a 80mm fan)

Toke,

why not depicting a night scene... This could add to an special atmosphere big time.

Monroe Perdu has some excellent Led Lights that can create wonderful light effects. Project them in the back scene...the fighting at and bombing of the bridge....dim the bright lights of those led lights a bit (to avoid overdoing it) and you create a wonderful scene. The dimmed atmosphere forces people to focus on the details in your creation... doesn't matter how often they look at it, the lights make them see different things each time.

Hi Toke

This is really coming along great i love what you have created so much atmosphere even at this stage can you give me any info on the figs ..they are great love the poses.
Title idea
"Dont open that brolly inside Sir bad luck"

Cheers Chris

Hi Toke

a lovely compostion, and great use of the Cromwell figures, You have done really well to get the most out them, it has made me take another look at my set :-)


any chance of some more pictures from different angles??

cheers

keith forsyth

Toke, as for your light have you thought of trying a halogen bulb for a maglight? It should have the correct color of light and should be plenty bright for what you need. You could also use a trim pot to dial in the exact brightness you are after. by the way excellent scene. cheers Kevin

Pilgrim!
Thats the kind of fans Ive been thinking of.

Danny!
Thanks for the suggestions but Ill guess Im a bit stubborn here as I have my mind set on a daylight scene. Should I however fail in making it I will consider a night scene.

Thanks, Keith!
When I primed the Cromwell figures a lot of detail I hadnt noticed showed up.
The resins is a bit transparent.
I will post some more pictures, but It will probably take a week or two.
Youre Arnhem diorama seems to be coming out just fine as well.

Kevin!
Ive started out with a 10W Halogenbulb, but it also got very hot. Im gonna do some trials over the next coming days with a thermometet to check the temperature inside the box. First without fan and the with the fan. This to see how much difference the fan does and what temperatures to expect. I have some pots Ive bought for this project but havnt found them necessary yet.

Thanks for all the input and encouragement.

Cheers

Hi Toke, I was just thinking [ which is a neurological hazard ] if this is to be a shadow-box build why not just build the box a tad loger on the window side and rig a holder for a flashlight. You can also then experiment with filters and such to get the right type of light. Cutting a few holes in cardboard far enough apart may even produce a sun ray effect. The flashlight [ or a small maglight ] already has a built-in refractor around the bulb to throw a beam of light and it won't get hot enough to cook anything.
Cheyenne

Tjena Janne!

I dont know how I have missed this beautiful piece of work! Love the whole scene, very compact, yet spacious! Superb man!

My model buddy, Gary Ruhnke, called Grim Reaper on the Big A got the idea — from reading Craig Whitaker articles on painting figs w/ oils — to build a fig paint drying box. He put a household light bulb in the box and measured the temperature after several hours. It was about 110 degrees, enough to speed up oil drying time but not enough to melt anything. BTW, he also added a turntable, to set the fig on, that revolves during the heating process. Clever man!

Now, I'm mentioning this because I think you started with a car light (break lights?) that is too strong for this use. I think your creation is just fantastic and whole heartedly encourage you to get the lighting aspect just the exact way you want it. This may take some time. But it will be worth it. What you're creating is a one of a kind. It will be a "Oh ma' gosh" kind of eye candy presentation. Do the experimenting process until it is right on the money. Shadow Box dios are difficult but so impressive and this will be just super. I think a 40watt or so household fixture bulb should be the ticket. At Arnhem it may have been cloudy, but you want your hard work to show up to the viewer, so IMO, this time you put art over history! I suggest you set up some throw away figs next to this kind of wattage in a closed environment with no fan and see what happens. BTW, how long would the light be on at any one time in your presentation? The idea of the mirror to change the direction of the light source is a good one too.

Hopefully, you will post more pix soon. This is such a great start and a super idea. I commend you dedication to this most creative enterprise. Good luck,

Cheyenne!
At this stage the composition doesnt allow much changing of the basic. However I got a free space behind the window of about 75mm (3 inches).
Should it be needed Ill have to do it then but Im working on other solutions. The box itself is made of 7mm(1/4) plywood. I also will try to alter the light by putting some plexiglas Ive coloured myself with a warm yellow or warm orange tone.

Anders!
This is the stuff you will be missing when youre out in the wilderness with psycotic, banjoplaying hillibilies. :-)
So Im burning the midnight oil to have it ready for Boston.

Rick!
I wasnt sure about whether the car lights(20W) was to strong as I dont have any experience but Ill rather be safe than sorry. And actually I think it will be strong enough. But if youre frind had an 60-100w lamp and it only got to 110(fahrenheit) it shouldnt be a problem at all. The idea of putting an old figure next to the lamp will be used.

Always nice to hear your input, fellows.