I have a BigFoot kit here somewhere, and I wanted to do a dump conversion on it. I was wondering if a dump is correct for a Bigfoot, or do I need to go with the dual rear wheeled version of the truck?
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Taylor...
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:15 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:28 PM UTC
You can use the Big Foot truck for a five ton dump. http://www.jedsite.info/transport/mike-number-us/m939_series/m929a2/m929a2-intro.html 
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 01:06 PM UTC
Perfect! I thought it would be ok, but wanted to be sure.
Anyone have any experience with the conversion kits? So far, I have found MR Models and Real Models. A post here in Softskins led me to think the MR is really poor, and I'm skeptical of most of Real Models stuff. Advice and comments would be appreciated!
Taylor...
Anyone have any experience with the conversion kits? So far, I have found MR Models and Real Models. A post here in Softskins led me to think the MR is really poor, and I'm skeptical of most of Real Models stuff. Advice and comments would be appreciated!
Taylor...
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 03:32 PM UTC
I have the MR kit. It is cleanly cast, but it is missing 1 piece that I have never been able to get from the company and the instructions leave a fair amount to be desired.
If you absolutely have to have a Bigfoot dump AND you are not yet comfortable with resin, MR may be a better bet than Real Models, but either kit will test you. And get your references ready...
If you absolutely have to have a Bigfoot dump AND you are not yet comfortable with resin, MR may be a better bet than Real Models, but either kit will test you. And get your references ready...
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Posted: Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 06:13 AM UTC
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I have the MR kit. It is cleanly cast, but it is missing 1 piece that I have never been able to get from the company and the instructions leave a fair amount to be desired.
If you absolutely have to have a Bigfoot dump AND you are not yet comfortable with resin, MR may be a better bet than Real Models, but either kit will test you. And get your references ready...
Thanks for the info! No problem working with resin here, just like to get my money's worth from any kits.
I also found a thread here from earlier this year discussing the use of the Hobby Fan M59 Dump kit. The HF kit seems to be a 5 ton bed. Any comments on the HF bed? I'm thinking there will be some parts not quite correct for use on the BigFoot?
Taylor...
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Posted: Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 09:40 AM UTC
You might want to check on that HF kit...I have the only kit I know that they made and it is for a 2.5 ton. The bigfoot is a 5 ton truck.
The HF kit is very nice, but I still think a bit pricey.
The HF kit is very nice, but I still think a bit pricey.
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Posted: Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 12:28 PM UTC
Yes, that is the kit I was refering to. It was suggested in the earlier thread that it looked like a 5 ton and might could be used on the 5 ton conversions. Nothing ever got settled in the other thread, no measurements were ever taken. That is why I was curious about it.
Here is the previous thread if you would like to check it out.... https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/43893&page=1
Thanks,
Taylor
Here is the previous thread if you would like to check it out.... https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/43893&page=1
Thanks,
Taylor
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Posted: Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 01:01 PM UTC
In my humble opinion I think the HF conversion is better suited for a five ton rather than the 2 1/2 ton it was made for. the height of the bed sides are more in line to a five ton. The only thing I wonder is if the length is long enough. Seeing that there is the exhaust and spare tire behind the cab of the 900 series I think that it will fit.
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Posted: Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:32 AM UTC
I will check my kits out tonight and let you know what is up concerning the two kits and their dimensions.
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Posted: Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:48 AM UTC
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In my humble opinion I think the HF conversion is better suited for a five ton rather than the 2 1/2 ton it was made for. the height of the bed sides are more in line to a five ton. The only thing I wonder is if the length is long enough. Seeing that there is the exhaust and spare tire behind the cab of the 900 series I think that it will fit.
Thanks Dave, I was thinking along the same lines as you.
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Posted: Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:49 AM UTC
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I will check my kits out tonight and let you know what is up concerning the two kits and their dimensions.
Many thanks! That will be great! I appreciate it.
Taylor...
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Posted: Monday, August 08, 2005 - 11:01 AM UTC
I checked through my resources as well as comparing the two kits.
1. There are VERY few resources out there on the M59 2 1/2 Ton dumptruck and the M930 5 ton dumptruck.
2. looking at tthe few pics/drawings I have, the M59 2 1/2 ton dump has shorter sidewalls on the dump and the "headache" panel (front piece that covers the cab) appears to be shorter and of a different shape as well.
3. On the HF kit, the box proper appears to be the same length/height/depth as the MR kit. However, the headache panel onthe MR kit is about 1/4 - 3/8 inch higher. I think the 5 ton version need more clearance of the cab compared to the M59. (Sorry, no pics as I do not want to completely open my HF kit and spill it out all over...)
Maybe Sabot can help in this concerning the real vehicles?
1. There are VERY few resources out there on the M59 2 1/2 Ton dumptruck and the M930 5 ton dumptruck.
2. looking at tthe few pics/drawings I have, the M59 2 1/2 ton dump has shorter sidewalls on the dump and the "headache" panel (front piece that covers the cab) appears to be shorter and of a different shape as well.
3. On the HF kit, the box proper appears to be the same length/height/depth as the MR kit. However, the headache panel onthe MR kit is about 1/4 - 3/8 inch higher. I think the 5 ton version need more clearance of the cab compared to the M59. (Sorry, no pics as I do not want to completely open my HF kit and spill it out all over...)
Maybe Sabot can help in this concerning the real vehicles?
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Posted: Monday, August 08, 2005 - 12:43 PM UTC
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I checked through my resources as well as comparing the two kits.
1. There are VERY few resources out there on the M59 2 1/2 Ton dumptruck and the M930 5 ton dumptruck.
2. looking at tthe few pics/drawings I have, the M59 2 1/2 ton dump has shorter sidewalls on the dump and the "headache" panel (front piece that covers the cab) appears to be shorter and of a different shape as well.
3. On the HF kit, the box proper appears to be the same length/height/depth as the MR kit. However, the headache panel onthe MR kit is about 1/4 - 3/8 inch higher. I think the 5 ton version need more clearance of the cab compared to the M59. (Sorry, no pics as I do not want to completely open my HF kit and spill it out all over...)
Maybe Sabot can help in this concerning the real vehicles?
Jacques, thanks for the info! I totally understand the reason for no pics.
I think I will just give the MR a try since there is a huge price difference (cheaper). I was just concerned of the quality versus the HF kit..
I also just caught the review of the HF M51 Dump at PMMS, should make the Gun Truck guys happy.
Anyone want to split a kit??? hehehe
Thanks again to everyone for helping me get this straight in my head! You guys are really great!
Taylor....
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:19 PM UTC
Saw this threat right now. I have started with the MR kit.
The main parts are ready. My judgement is: poor kit!
I've learned that the casting quality of MR varies extremly. F.E. the tires: Molding missmatch ( ?, is this right ) was terrible. 5 of 7 tires were useless. Some cast blocks are set at badly choosen points. Because these points are later visible. You'll need a higher efford as necessary to get good looking modell. Instead of the spare wheel was a normal tire packed. I'll never buy a kit of them again without opening the box prior. Exchange of parts was very difficult in the past even though MR is located in Germany. The instruction sheet is a poor photo copy of some pics combined with some drawings. All together a double sided A4 sheet of paper. Good references are a must. Look at LOGSA for the manual. You will also need PE set 35511 from Eduard to correct things like running boards, spare wheel carrier, muffler and so on.
I don't have any infos of the Real Models kit. But looking to other kits of them wich i own it can be a challenge too.
Happy modelling
Harald
The main parts are ready. My judgement is: poor kit!
I've learned that the casting quality of MR varies extremly. F.E. the tires: Molding missmatch ( ?, is this right ) was terrible. 5 of 7 tires were useless. Some cast blocks are set at badly choosen points. Because these points are later visible. You'll need a higher efford as necessary to get good looking modell. Instead of the spare wheel was a normal tire packed. I'll never buy a kit of them again without opening the box prior. Exchange of parts was very difficult in the past even though MR is located in Germany. The instruction sheet is a poor photo copy of some pics combined with some drawings. All together a double sided A4 sheet of paper. Good references are a must. Look at LOGSA for the manual. You will also need PE set 35511 from Eduard to correct things like running boards, spare wheel carrier, muffler and so on.
I don't have any infos of the Real Models kit. But looking to other kits of them wich i own it can be a challenge too.
Happy modelling
Harald
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:01 PM UTC
Thanks for the info Harald!
I no longer have the Bigfoot kit, I only have the 925 shelter kit now. Must have traded the Bigfoot at some time and forgot.
I have the PE set ordered. Will work on getting the truck built up and detailed for now and hold off on a bed decision.
The Hobby Fan M51 dump bed should work. Maybe they will release the dump bed as a conversion. Otherwise, I might just get the whole M51 kit.
Thanks again for the info!
Taylor...
I no longer have the Bigfoot kit, I only have the 925 shelter kit now. Must have traded the Bigfoot at some time and forgot.
I have the PE set ordered. Will work on getting the truck built up and detailed for now and hold off on a bed decision.
The Hobby Fan M51 dump bed should work. Maybe they will release the dump bed as a conversion. Otherwise, I might just get the whole M51 kit.
Thanks again for the info!
Taylor...
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 01:33 AM UTC
Hi Taylor,
the shelter truck is the better choice, cause it comes with harttop and winch. The tires are included in the conversion kits as i know.
happy modelling
Harald
the shelter truck is the better choice, cause it comes with harttop and winch. The tires are included in the conversion kits as i know.
happy modelling
Harald
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 02:47 AM UTC
Well...
My version of the MR kit did not come with wheels. I do agree onthe instructions though.
And again, so far as I know, the only M51 kit that Hobby Fan puts out is a conversion for the AFV CLub 2 1/2 ton truck, so the parts may not fit any Italeri 5 ton kit. Also, remember, the front "headache" part of the dump body is different in the Hobby fan kit compared to the MR kit, and also seems to be the way it is on the real deal too. NOT that I am advocating for the MR kit, just seems like there is no easy option here...
HOwever, if you have the shelter 5 ton, you are in luck. You can make a M929/M930 straight. They used the non "Bigfoot" wheels, so it is a kinda different look.
Now to spruce this kit up totally, in case you want to, there is:
1. MR 5 ton dump kit. I also think Real Models may make a kit. ???
2. Eduard PE set
3. CMK cab interior upgrade set.
4. CMK (or other company) 5 ton engine.
5. A1 or A2 wheels if you want to go that far. the A1 set from CAM is a good set.
Hope this helps. Gotta admit, I now have my interest peaked in this kit/conversion set.
My version of the MR kit did not come with wheels. I do agree onthe instructions though.
And again, so far as I know, the only M51 kit that Hobby Fan puts out is a conversion for the AFV CLub 2 1/2 ton truck, so the parts may not fit any Italeri 5 ton kit. Also, remember, the front "headache" part of the dump body is different in the Hobby fan kit compared to the MR kit, and also seems to be the way it is on the real deal too. NOT that I am advocating for the MR kit, just seems like there is no easy option here...
HOwever, if you have the shelter 5 ton, you are in luck. You can make a M929/M930 straight. They used the non "Bigfoot" wheels, so it is a kinda different look.
Now to spruce this kit up totally, in case you want to, there is:
1. MR 5 ton dump kit. I also think Real Models may make a kit. ???
2. Eduard PE set
3. CMK cab interior upgrade set.
4. CMK (or other company) 5 ton engine.
5. A1 or A2 wheels if you want to go that far. the A1 set from CAM is a good set.
Hope this helps. Gotta admit, I now have my interest peaked in this kit/conversion set.
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 10:03 AM UTC
Hi Jacques, The HF M59 is for the 2 1/2 ton. The new M51 is a complete 5 ton truck and dump. Check it out at PMMS. M51
Taylor...
Taylor...
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 01:45 PM UTC
Doh...I did not even know that full resin kit existed. Oh well, shows what i know. Of course, it is for the older 5 ton, so that shows where some of my ignorance comes from. I am a big fan of the M929/M930 series vehicles...sigh.
However, the HF kit looks REALLY nice. I may have to pick one up. Steep price though...
However, the HF kit looks REALLY nice. I may have to pick one up. Steep price though...
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