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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:17 AM UTC


http://www.salt6.com/tigers.htm
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 10:27 PM UTC
Actually Private Ryan's and Band of Brothers Tiger, were modified T55.
Also Battle of The Bulge's suposed to be King Tigers, were gray painted M47 and to make it more realistic they mirrored the film, so the commander's cupola to be seen on the left side of the turret!!!
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 10:31 PM UTC

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There is I believe only one Tiger I in running condition in the world. Anyone who complains they don't use real Tigers in movies when 99.999999999% of the audience doesn't know the difference or care anyway should get a grip.

Movie producers use what is available and what is affordable. There are practical limits after all.



Bovigton's Tiger I is in running contition, and Samur's King Tiger too.
But the cost to move those giants, and the cost if something brokes is unfordable....
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:03 PM UTC
Replica Tiger one had an explosion in the turret Saturday at the Mount Comfort Indiana air show. One of the guys had to be life-lined.
Details:

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=274620;postid=2904796#2904796

Last picture in the first post...

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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 06:38 AM UTC
OK so what tanks were used in the movie PATTON. I watched it last weekend and I don't think I saw one sherman or M3. I couldn't make out what tanks they tried to pass off as shermans. I was thinking they may have been m47 or m48 but not an expert yet.

Anyone know?

GG
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 07:09 AM UTC

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OK so what tanks were used in the movie PATTON. I watched it last weekend and I don't think I saw one sherman or M3. I couldn't make out what tanks they tried to pass off as shermans. I was thinking they may have been m47 or m48 but not an expert yet.

Anyone know?

GG



Weren't those Chaffees?
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 08:09 AM UTC

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The directors and movie producers doesn't give a damn about original equipment,




And sadly so often they dont care about the truth either.

I seem to remember at one point that kelly's heroes was filmed in Yugoslavia. I could be wrong...



Of course you must keep in mind that film "Kelly's Heroes" is fictional in the first place so what would it matter if they filmed it off location, there is no true 'location' is there?

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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 08:46 AM UTC
I found once, a site that sells Tiger I replicas based on T34 chasis, but I can't find the url right know...
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 08:55 AM UTC

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Actually Private Ryan's and Band of Brothers Tiger, were modified T55.
Also Battle of The Bulge's suposed to be King Tigers, were gray painted M47 and to make it more realistic they mirrored the film, so the commander's cupola to be seen on the left side of the turret!!!



No, the Tigers in Band of Brothers and Ryan were on T-34s....just look at the tracks. It was the Jagdpanther in Band of Brothers that was built on a T-55.
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 08:57 AM UTC

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OK so what tanks were used in the movie PATTON. I watched it last weekend and I don't think I saw one sherman or M3. I couldn't make out what tanks they tried to pass off as shermans. I was thinking they may have been m47 or m48 but not an expert yet.

Anyone know?

GG



Weren't those Chaffees?



As I recall, the Americans used Walker Bulldogs and maybe some chaffees. The British were shown with Chaffees. Ther Germans used M48s and maybe some M47s.
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 09:18 AM UTC

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Having seen 1/1 mock-ups of a Tiger (on T34 chassis), Stug (on FV432) & Jagdpanther (also on FV432), I have to say that although they wouldn't fool an expert for a second, in a film shot disguised by debris & smoke & at a distance they would look pretty good (as indeed the did in Band of Brothers). One also needs to remember that even the Patton tanks used in BOTB are collectable now, so it's unlikely we'll be seeing films using large numbers of real tanks again. A Bridge Too Far may well be one of thelast of it's type. Having watched Troy & the Lord of the Rings films, it's amazing how convincing CGI can look now, so there is no need any more to mess about with temperamental old vehicles any more.




They tried to avoid CGI at LOTR as much as possible, and used miniatures a lot... But the thing is: who cares if the Tiger doesn't look exactly like a Tiger in the movie. It's a contract between us and the director: he tells a tale, and we suspend our disbeliefs in cave trolls, wizards, and Tigers for the time being.

EDIT: someone here said it a few years ago that Eastwood and Sutherland insisted on having a relatively accurate Tiger, instead of the usual Patton.

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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 09:33 AM UTC

Here's a real one:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0NXbG3ojeU&mode=related&search=

And here's a 'fake' one - look at the drive wheel:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PVT9eTztOg

its not a bad attempt.
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 - 07:41 PM UTC

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Having seen 1/1 mock-ups of a Tiger (on T34 chassis), Stug (on FV432) & Jagdpanther (also on FV432), I have to say that although they wouldn't fool an expert for a second, in a film shot disguised by debris & smoke & at a distance they would look pretty good (as indeed the did in Band of Brothers). One also needs to remember that even the Patton tanks used in BOTB are collectable now, so it's unlikely we'll be seeing films using large numbers of real tanks again. A Bridge Too Far may well be one of thelast of it's type. Having watched Troy & the Lord of the Rings films, it's amazing how convincing CGI can look now, so there is no need any more to mess about with temperamental old vehicles any more.




They tried to avoid CGI at LOTR as much as possible, and used miniatures a lot... But the thing is: who cares if the Tiger doesn't look exactly like a Tiger in the movie. It's a contract between us and the director: he tells a tale, and we suspend our disbeliefs in cave trolls, wizards, and Tigers for the time being.

EDIT: someone here said it a few years ago that Eastwood and Sutherland insisted on having a relatively accurate Tiger, instead of the usual Patton.




I disagree, especially on LOTR as in that case, the designs of just about EVERY character, species, location and item had been meticulously described by Tolkien. So, although it is fantasy, the movies had to be accurate in recreating that all.

As to a historical movie, the effort to get it right should extend as far as the maximum attainable.

If CGI can be used, do it.

Point in fact, in the Chronicles of Narnia, at the beginning CGI Heinkel HE-111 are shown which are extremely well done, including the tail down dropping of the bombs.

Now, that part at the start is hardly extremely essential to have the HE-111 that accurate, but it was done.

So why should a movie about a historical event cop out on that?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:31 AM UTC
I only commented on LOTR about the use of miniatures... They did an incredible job building up Tolkien's world.
As for the historical accuracy I don't think it's that important from the point of the story. Did it matter in Bands of Brothers? There were hundreds of inaccurate details, yet the message of the series did not change because of that. It's the best if they want to make it as accurate as possible, because it is insulting, honestly, if they use Pattons for Tigers, but strictly speaking the film itself does not suffer if they are not. My 2 cents.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:42 AM UTC
Hey Andras,
Is this this the post you meant?

Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 08:00 PM GMT
Unfortunately, until recently, there have been very few German AFV's in running order for use in movies.
U.S. M2/M3 Half-Tracks have been starring as Sd.Kfz.251's for many years and everthing from M3 Stuarts to M47 Pattons have beem filling in for German "Panzers".
The 1st movie I ever saw that tried to address this was "Kelly's Heroes".
The movies director and producer apparently wanted to use available T-34/85's as the Tigers in the finale of the movie but apparently Clint Eastwood and Donald Sutherland said no.
Supposedly. both stars are history buffs and insisted that the T-34's should be made to look like Tigers.
Except for the tracks and suspension and the overall size of the vehicles, these "Tigers" look pretty good.
The same thing has been done of late in productions like "Saving Private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers" where T-34's, T-55's and various other AFV's have been "Germanized" to look more like the real thing.
I'd love to see a movie with the recently refurbished Bovington Tiger I but it's not likely to happen.
It would be great to see and hear that old "girl" in a starring role.
Here's hoping!!
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:37 PM UTC

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OK so what tanks were used in the movie PATTON. I watched it last weekend and I don't think I saw one sherman or M3. I couldn't make out what tanks they tried to pass off as shermans. I was thinking they may have been m47 or m48 but not an expert yet.

Anyone know?

GG



Weren't those Chaffees?


There were a selection of Spanish Army AFV's in Patton. The filmmaker's convention was, the US used M47 Pattons, the Germans used M48 Pattons, and the British used M24 Chaffees and a few M41 Walker Bulldogs. In convoy scenes, a few other vehicles also turn up, like an M37 self propelled 105mm howitzer (successor to the M7 Priest), and a Sherman based recovery vehicle (couldn't tell if it was an M74 or an upgraded M32).
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 06:16 AM UTC
Here are some another links:
with pictures of a tiger based on a T55 and T34 (private Ryan)

http://uwemilitaria.org/2-Track/HollywoodTiger/7.html

and a Tiger (T34) picture in a Czech museum

http://www.travelguide.cz/en/tourism/museums-and-technical-monuments/military-historical-museum-in-rokycany

Bye
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 09:22 AM UTC

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Hey Andras,
Is this this the post you meant?

Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 08:00 PM GMT
Unfortunately, until recently, there have been very few German AFV's in running order for use in movies.
U.S. M2/M3 Half-Tracks have been starring as Sd.Kfz.251's for many years and everthing from M3 Stuarts to M47 Pattons have beem filling in for German "Panzers".
The 1st movie I ever saw that tried to address this was "Kelly's Heroes".
The movies director and producer apparently wanted to use available T-34/85's as the Tigers in the finale of the movie but apparently Clint Eastwood and Donald Sutherland said no.
Supposedly. both stars are history buffs and insisted that the T-34's should be made to look like Tigers.
Except for the tracks and suspension and the overall size of the vehicles, these "Tigers" look pretty good.
The same thing has been done of late in productions like "Saving Private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers" where T-34's, T-55's and various other AFV's have been "Germanized" to look more like the real thing.
I'd love to see a movie with the recently refurbished Bovington Tiger I but it's not likely to happen.
It would be great to see and hear that old "girl" in a starring role.
Here's hoping!!
Cheers

jjumbo



Exactly. I always liked both actors (especially Sutherland), so I hope it's true.
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Its funny, so many comments in this post saying they would like to see the Bovington Tiger 1 use in a movie, that is exactly what they did for the movie "Fury".

And some people still complained because it was an early model!
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