Wow. It seems you guys had an early start on this diorama contest thingie while I was enjoying the sun in Canarian Islands! Glad to see so many participants!
Here´s what I came up with for the contest:
Kosovo, the ´90s. A Serbian sniper inside a room with a window nailed shut with planks and pieces of board. There are small holes between planks, barely enough to shoot through and let some snow in the room. Thin curtains frame the setting left and right. The sniper is waiting, "killing time", sitting in a chair, relaxed, smoking, just observing through scope, adjusting scope with the other hand. He holds his rifle on his left knee, his leg raised against the corner of the window. He rocks the chair, bored and moody, there are lots of cigarette filters, beer cans and empty shell casings on the floor. The room is someone´s bedroom, there is a crucifix hanging on the wall. The house could easily belong to this man´s former neighbour...
The "Killing Time" is a working title at the moment with the double meaning and all, I haven´t come up with a better name yet. At first I thought about something about hating your neighbor, ("A Neighbor To Kill" or similar), which the case was. I´m open to title suggestions!
The building will consist of first attempts with balsa, scratchbuilding the sniper with variable equipment and difficult pose and trying to keep it simple. I´m not going to say this will be a fun project to build because for some reason the subject makes me very emotional. But it will certainly be an interesting one.
Cheers, Toni
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Envar
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 09:45 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 09:53 AM UTC
Envar,
welcome back. Hope you enjoyed your stay at the C. Islands. We sure missed you over here. It's good to have you back.
As for the contest.... I love the crowd.... it's a good thing to have so many involved. Many good ideas. I can't wait to see all the results.
Like your idea. I bet a sketch will follow soon....
Welcome back again and... happy modeling !
welcome back. Hope you enjoyed your stay at the C. Islands. We sure missed you over here. It's good to have you back.
As for the contest.... I love the crowd.... it's a good thing to have so many involved. Many good ideas. I can't wait to see all the results.
Like your idea. I bet a sketch will follow soon....
Welcome back again and... happy modeling !
penpen
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:01 AM UTC
Glad to see you back Tony !
I was beginning to wonder if you were disliking the crowd !
Me too, I find your idea emotional. It's always scary to imagine people, like you and me, living a normal life in a normal town, who "suddenly" start to kill each others...
PS : if you want to take part to the contest with that dio, beware, because it's got to be WWII !
I was beginning to wonder if you were disliking the crowd !
Me too, I find your idea emotional. It's always scary to imagine people, like you and me, living a normal life in a normal town, who "suddenly" start to kill each others...
PS : if you want to take part to the contest with that dio, beware, because it's got to be WWII !
Eagle
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:04 AM UTC
As fot the title what about
The Guy Next Door
The Guy Next Door
Envar
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:15 AM UTC
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...beware, because it's got to be WWII !
Oh yes, the rules....argh. I guess I had too much catchin´ up and missed that regulation!
Have to think up something...
Quoted Text
As fot the title what about
The Guy Next Door
Good one, Danny! Right to the point...
Toni
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:45 AM UTC
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beware, because it's got to be WWII !
I walked into the same trap ! I had no less than three ideas for snipers : one in Kosovo (I'm not kidding - probably because we saw the images on TV about Kosovo snipers killing civilians in the streets), one in Afghanistan (Northern Alliance with the funny headgear and baggy trousers) and one with an FBI agent wearing bullet proof jacket and big FBI lettering on his back in position on a rooftop.
Then came the rules : WWII. Well, I'm sure you'll manage. You could make the exact same dio in a WWII setting for sure... ?
Nice to have you back. You have a nice tan !
Envar
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 11:03 AM UTC
I will probably use the basic idea of this and try to get motivated by a ww2 subject...or do them both!
This is as far as I got with the Kosovo sniper:
Thanks for the comments!
Toni
This is as far as I got with the Kosovo sniper:
Thanks for the comments!
Toni
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2002 - 12:27 PM UTC
Toni, I wish I could build models half as well as you can draw!!! :-)
Welcome back! As for sun exposure...
Too much sun, leaving your skin dry =
Really bad sunbrun =
No sun exposure at all =
Just riiiight =
YodaMan
Welcome back! As for sun exposure...
Too much sun, leaving your skin dry =
Really bad sunbrun =
No sun exposure at all =
Just riiiight =
YodaMan
Golikell
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 07:02 AM UTC
Hi,
Idea: why not make him a Yugoslav partisan (same theatre)? He could gaurding a meeting or something!
Only have to change the heater!
How were you going to implement the suggestion of the time breing winter?
Good luck
Idea: why not make him a Yugoslav partisan (same theatre)? He could gaurding a meeting or something!
Only have to change the heater!
How were you going to implement the suggestion of the time breing winter?
Good luck
Envar
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 09:01 AM UTC
Hey Golikell, that sounds good! The only problem seems to be the lack of reference. Does anybody have pics or other reference? Serbian Volunteer Corps for example were joined to Waffen-SS at some point but before that?
It would be very interesting but I just don´t know where to start looking pics of equipment and so on... help!
If I end up using this kind of setting, the winter will be seen in the sniper´s clothing and the snow on the floor that came from the window.
Toni
It would be very interesting but I just don´t know where to start looking pics of equipment and so on... help!
If I end up using this kind of setting, the winter will be seen in the sniper´s clothing and the snow on the floor that came from the window.
Toni
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 09:02 AM UTC
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Idea: why not make him a Yugoslav partisan
Toni,
looking at the sketch (mjum mjum again ), the idea above was the first thing that crossed my mind. Sneeky guys those partizans...... sneeky enough to fit a dio....
Envar
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 09:07 AM UTC
Sneeky yeah...and maybe they´re so sneeky that they wear civilian clothes?
Just thinking, perhaps I can make him wear a normal overcoat and cover the uniform...
I bet these guys used whatever equipment they could get in their hands...and used it well, too!
Toni
Just thinking, perhaps I can make him wear a normal overcoat and cover the uniform...
I bet these guys used whatever equipment they could get in their hands...and used it well, too!
Toni
Eagle
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 09:16 AM UTC
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Just thinking, perhaps I can make him wear a normal overcoat and cover the uniform...
I bet these guys used whatever equipment they could get in their hands...and used it well, too!
Smart thinking..... you're right there. They used whatever they could get there hands on to fight the enemy.
Golikell
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 09:55 AM UTC
Toni,
I know these guy had an official uniform too. I found a picture of Tito in 1943 wearing (according to the caption) the Partisan Uniform:
http://www.tridentmilitary.com/World-Militaria/yu295.jpg[/url
Hell, I evenfound a toy soldier dressed as such:
[url]http://www.avantgarde2000.freeserve.co.uk/WORLDWARSFIGURESPAGE.htm
Or, how about this:
http://www.trussel.com/hf/tito.htm
Take special not of the following lines:
The peasant stopped, observed the man narrowly for a moment, and then lifted both arms, still holding the tommy gun. The man who had stopped him wore a grey uniform that had once adorned a German. Now the insignia were gone. A five-pointed red star was sewn onto the cap.
, or even better:
Indeed, the peasant couldn't help noticing that the town was an armed camp, four tanks and a dozen field guns in the central square, covered over with camouflage, barbed wire, machine gun nests, trucks parked close to the eaves of the houses and under trees, and everywhere armed men — men in German uniforms, in Italian uniforms, in Yugoslav uniforms, but all with the insignia removed and the red star substituted.
If you want more take a search at google with the keywords yugoslav+partisan+uniform
Good Luck
I know these guy had an official uniform too. I found a picture of Tito in 1943 wearing (according to the caption) the Partisan Uniform:
http://www.tridentmilitary.com/World-Militaria/yu295.jpg[/url
Hell, I evenfound a toy soldier dressed as such:
[url]http://www.avantgarde2000.freeserve.co.uk/WORLDWARSFIGURESPAGE.htm
Or, how about this:
http://www.trussel.com/hf/tito.htm
Take special not of the following lines:
The peasant stopped, observed the man narrowly for a moment, and then lifted both arms, still holding the tommy gun. The man who had stopped him wore a grey uniform that had once adorned a German. Now the insignia were gone. A five-pointed red star was sewn onto the cap.
, or even better:
Indeed, the peasant couldn't help noticing that the town was an armed camp, four tanks and a dozen field guns in the central square, covered over with camouflage, barbed wire, machine gun nests, trucks parked close to the eaves of the houses and under trees, and everywhere armed men — men in German uniforms, in Italian uniforms, in Yugoslav uniforms, but all with the insignia removed and the red star substituted.
If you want more take a search at google with the keywords yugoslav+partisan+uniform
Good Luck
Envar
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 10:06 AM UTC
Thank You Sir!
This helped a lot...enough... :-)
I found some pics from Kosovo, from the ´90s, and guess what: the shape of the upper part of the window in my sketch was there, on top of a bombed church door. It gave me chills down the spine.
Now I have what I need. A German rifle will do, the Polish variant of k98 looks the same. That red star sewn on the cap...German uniform without insignias...with an overcoat with lamb wool collars. It´s going to be perfect!
Thanks,
Toni
This helped a lot...enough... :-)
I found some pics from Kosovo, from the ´90s, and guess what: the shape of the upper part of the window in my sketch was there, on top of a bombed church door. It gave me chills down the spine.
Now I have what I need. A German rifle will do, the Polish variant of k98 looks the same. That red star sewn on the cap...German uniform without insignias...with an overcoat with lamb wool collars. It´s going to be perfect!
Thanks,
Toni
Envar
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Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 08:25 PM UTC
I finally started building the figure. I´ll be using a mixture of crappy Zvezda Russian troop figure set as a base for the Partisan sniper. I found exactly the pose I was after, but it will require some heavy milliputting. I´ll use a Hornet head with a pissed-off expression for the figure. He will have a great Model Kasten Mosin-Nagant with a scratchbuilt scope and ammo pouches going across the chest. I will scratchbuild an overcoat for him and it will cover most of the uniform. I decided to build the figure first and then move on to the room he is in, I think it´s easier to fit the room to the figure than vice versa...
I´ll be posting pics soon!
Toni
I´ll be posting pics soon!
Toni
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 09:15 PM UTC
Hi Tony
if the worst came to the worst, you could always enter that sketch into the competition!
Sounds like a great dio idea though. Looking forward to seeing the final result.
Good luck
Frank
if the worst came to the worst, you could always enter that sketch into the competition!
Sounds like a great dio idea though. Looking forward to seeing the final result.
Good luck
Frank
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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 08:06 AM UTC
Hey Envar,
If you're going to do a sniper vignette based in Kosovo, you could just as easily do an Albania KLA Terrorist doing the same. I see that the media has skewed all perseption of snipers based in the Balkans as child-killing serbs. A rather misleading bias as all sides had snipers that targeted anything they didn't like.
As for WW2 sniper ideas, the Partisans (in which my grandfather was a captain) wore a mixture of civilian clothing and/or ex-Yugoslav army uniforms or captured German/Italian/Bulgarian/Hungarian uniform items. From early 1944, the british were sending a fair amount of aid to the Partisans so that in 1944-45 you see them wearing a fair amount of British battledress. (My father served in the JNA in 1954-55 and they basically wore British battledress with local buttons, markings and headdress). Russian uniform items to not really provided to the Partisan forces.
The Royalist Chetniks wore a similar mixture of ex-Yugoslav army and captured German/Italian/Bulgarian/Hungarian though much less British battledress.
Differences were mainly in headdress, insignia and the Chetniks grew their hair and/or beards long.
For reference, I might recommend the following Osprey titles:
- Partisan Warfare 1941–45 (Men-at-Arms 142) Author: Nigel Thomas
- Axis forces in Yugoslavia 1941–45 (Men-at-Arms 282) Author: Nigel Thomas
- Tito's Partisans 1941–45 (Warrior 73) Author: Velimir Vuksic
Nemanja.
If you're going to do a sniper vignette based in Kosovo, you could just as easily do an Albania KLA Terrorist doing the same. I see that the media has skewed all perseption of snipers based in the Balkans as child-killing serbs. A rather misleading bias as all sides had snipers that targeted anything they didn't like.
As for WW2 sniper ideas, the Partisans (in which my grandfather was a captain) wore a mixture of civilian clothing and/or ex-Yugoslav army uniforms or captured German/Italian/Bulgarian/Hungarian uniform items. From early 1944, the british were sending a fair amount of aid to the Partisans so that in 1944-45 you see them wearing a fair amount of British battledress. (My father served in the JNA in 1954-55 and they basically wore British battledress with local buttons, markings and headdress). Russian uniform items to not really provided to the Partisan forces.
The Royalist Chetniks wore a similar mixture of ex-Yugoslav army and captured German/Italian/Bulgarian/Hungarian though much less British battledress.
Differences were mainly in headdress, insignia and the Chetniks grew their hair and/or beards long.
For reference, I might recommend the following Osprey titles:
- Partisan Warfare 1941–45 (Men-at-Arms 142) Author: Nigel Thomas
- Axis forces in Yugoslavia 1941–45 (Men-at-Arms 282) Author: Nigel Thomas
- Tito's Partisans 1941–45 (Warrior 73) Author: Velimir Vuksic
Nemanja.