hallo
knows anyone about the tanks units from these nations and they role during the 1991 desert storm?
Im planning to build an egyptian M-60 tank during this conflict...
thanks in advance for any response
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syrian,egyptian role during Desert Storm?
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Egyptians had M60A3s, don't know about Syria.
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Hi, Peter! Syria would certainly have had Soviet-made tanks. T-72s, T-80s, etc. Can't tell you which though I'm sure someone here will soon 
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Hi, Peter! Syria would certainly have had Soviet-made tanks. T-72s, T-80s, etc. Can't tell you which though I'm sure someone here will soon
Actually, Syria had bought, in the laet '80's, a bunch of older British AFVs too. I believe it was Chieftans. Not sure if they used them in ODS though.
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Actually, Syria had bought, in the laet '80's, a bunch of older British AFVs too. I believe it was Chieftans. Not sure if they used them in ODS though.
never heard that before, didnt think we sold anything to syria.
only export customers for cheiftan i know of were Iran (pre-revolution) and Kuwait. Both countries used them in combat against Iraq.
i would be interested to hear of British AFVs in syrian use
regards
Joe
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Actually, Syria had bought, in the laet '80's, a bunch of older British AFVs too. I believe it was Chieftans. Not sure if they used them in ODS though.
never heard that before, didnt think we sold anything to syria.
only export customers for cheiftan i know of were Iran (pre-revolution) and Kuwait. Both countries used them in combat against Iraq.
i would be interested to hear of British AFVs in syrian use
regards
Joe
Maybe it was Kuwait I was thinking of. Here are some figures from a Syrian Army Website.
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The Syrian Army comprises 3 corps who are equipped with hundreds of T-62 and T-72 battle tanks.
Recently Syria bought for 2 billion dollars T-80 battle tanks and modern Su-27 fighters from Russia.
Guess they do have all Soviet/Russian AFVs.
More info here.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 04:10 AM UTC
Howdy all. The Syrian tanks I saw in Saudi Arabia for DS/DS were T-62As. They were pretty rough looking and had a two tone sand/yellow over gray/green color camo. There were also small Arabic numbers on the hull front and rear. They should have recieved the inverted "V" coalition symbol prior to LD. When I saw them they did not yet have them applied. I am also not aware of Syria purchasing or receiving any equipment from the UK. I did see Kuwaiti Chieftans though. And there were Iraqis manning captured Kuwaiti Chieftans in and around Kuwait city. Out here. 
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Here is information from the Osprey Desert Storm Special #1 Land Power The Coalition and Iraqi Armies:
They provided the following forces during ODS:
Syria: A Special Forces Regiment and the 9th Armored Division consisting of 200 T-55 and T-62 tanks.
A typical Syrian Armored Division includes:
13,000 men total
250 T-55/T-62/T-72
150 BMP/BTR-60
Egypt: 3rd Mechanized Division, 4th Armored Division, 6th Armored Brigade and the 5th Parachute Brigade.
A typical Egyptian Armored Division includes:
16,000 men
225 M60A1 tanks
150 BMP or M113
I do not think the T-80 was exported outside of the former Soviet Union at the time of Desert Storm so I do not think Syria had them.
They provided the following forces during ODS:
Syria: A Special Forces Regiment and the 9th Armored Division consisting of 200 T-55 and T-62 tanks.
A typical Syrian Armored Division includes:
13,000 men total
250 T-55/T-62/T-72
150 BMP/BTR-60
Egypt: 3rd Mechanized Division, 4th Armored Division, 6th Armored Brigade and the 5th Parachute Brigade.
A typical Egyptian Armored Division includes:
16,000 men
225 M60A1 tanks
150 BMP or M113
I do not think the T-80 was exported outside of the former Soviet Union at the time of Desert Storm so I do not think Syria had them.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 10:31 AM UTC
From my info I got
1000 T54/55
1000 T-62
1700 T72
1000 T54/55 Static defence
950 BRDM-2 APC
2400 BMP-1/2/3 APC
1600 BTR-50/60/70/80/151 APC
But I don't know how old this info is
1000 T54/55
1000 T-62
1700 T72
1000 T54/55 Static defence
950 BRDM-2 APC
2400 BMP-1/2/3 APC
1600 BTR-50/60/70/80/151 APC
But I don't know how old this info is
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Just a couple of pages from an old book I have.
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the Chieftains were sold to Jordan as well as the Challenger Is.
Kuwait, I belive, bought M1A1s from the US.
what part did Egypt and Syria take in the ODS? I dont think they had anything to do with it.
Syria probably gave shelter to the iraqi airforce remains and to AWOL pilots but other than that....
Kuwait, I belive, bought M1A1s from the US.
what part did Egypt and Syria take in the ODS? I dont think they had anything to do with it.
Syria probably gave shelter to the iraqi airforce remains and to AWOL pilots but other than that....
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See my post above. Both countries provided armored formations in support of the Allied Coalition.what part did Egypt and Syria take in the ODS? I dont think they had anything to do with it.
Syria probably gave shelter to the iraqi airforce remains and to AWOL pilots but other than that....
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Posted: Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 02:09 AM UTC
I doubt it Syria contributed in any way to the coalition.
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I doubt it Syria contributed in any way to the coalition.
Personal opinions aside, they did provide armored forces to the coalition. Sorry, but that is the way it was. They did take part in the operation.
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Posted: Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 02:25 AM UTC
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They sent tanks and troops. Do a simple google search. Here's one for you: http://www.cryan.com/war/AlliedForces.htmlI doubt it Syria contributed in any way to the coalition.
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Posted: Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 12:26 PM UTC
I would guess it was limited to securing the blokade on the south western Iraqi border and not actual deployment with intentions to engage in combat against Iraqi units.
btw, Andy Mcknab in his book Bravo Two Zero says one of his surviving crew mates fled to Syria as it was neutral in the war and had some sort of diplomatic likness towards the British but I reckon the guy is full of cr@p so I wouldnt relay on that. anyway thanks for the enlightment.
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btw, Andy Mcknab in his book Bravo Two Zero says one of his surviving crew mates fled to Syria as it was neutral in the war and had some sort of diplomatic likness towards the British but I reckon the guy is full of cr@p so I wouldnt relay on that. anyway thanks for the enlightment.
Yup, from all accounts I have heard, Bravo Two Zero was pretty much a load of crap. Very little truth to it. I wouldn't use it as any type of referance for ODS.
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only export customers for cheiftan i know of were Iran (pre-revolution) and Kuwait. Both countries used them in combat against Iraq.
Israel received two Chieftains as well, just prior to the Six Day War. After the war Britain reneged on a deal to sell more.
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18 Bravo,
in retrospective it was a very intresting story.
the British has cut a deal with Israel in the early sixties - we would buy their aging fleet of Centurion Meteors and when their Chieftain become operational they will allow Israel to buy it being the most revolutionary tank at that time (120mm barrel with thermal shroud, extensive use of Chobam composite armor etc. etc.).
they sent two or four Chiefs on '64 but when the six day war of '67 broke out the British ordenance crews uninstalled everything on the tanks and rendered them inoperable.
later on after the Centurion deal has been completed the British refused to complete their part of the deal (with one modern book about about Britain int'nl relations stating that the gov't never really ment to sell the tank to anyone outside the UK) and Israel was stuck with tons of Centurions.
this incident started the Merkava project and of course the Centurion saw probably the most operational use of any western modern tank in the world (except maybe the Patton series) in the IDF during the six days war, Yom Kippur war and the Lebanon war.
numerous Centurion upgrades were made later and Centurion hulls still serve in the IDF nowdays as heavy APCs for the low intensity conflict use.
in retrospective it was a very intresting story.
the British has cut a deal with Israel in the early sixties - we would buy their aging fleet of Centurion Meteors and when their Chieftain become operational they will allow Israel to buy it being the most revolutionary tank at that time (120mm barrel with thermal shroud, extensive use of Chobam composite armor etc. etc.).
they sent two or four Chiefs on '64 but when the six day war of '67 broke out the British ordenance crews uninstalled everything on the tanks and rendered them inoperable.
later on after the Centurion deal has been completed the British refused to complete their part of the deal (with one modern book about about Britain int'nl relations stating that the gov't never really ment to sell the tank to anyone outside the UK) and Israel was stuck with tons of Centurions.
this incident started the Merkava project and of course the Centurion saw probably the most operational use of any western modern tank in the world (except maybe the Patton series) in the IDF during the six days war, Yom Kippur war and the Lebanon war.
numerous Centurion upgrades were made later and Centurion hulls still serve in the IDF nowdays as heavy APCs for the low intensity conflict use.
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