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Making Realistic Tarps!
wbill76
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Posted: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:49 PM UTC
Appreciate the effort! Hopefully there's a US equivalent...when I asked the counter clerk for a "water based silicon sealer" he looked at me strangely...
dsotm
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Posted: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 05:14 AM UTC
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Appreciate the effort! Hopefully there's a US equivalent...when I asked the counter clerk for a "water based silicon sealer" he looked at me strangely...
Bill
Vinnie has updated the article (page 3) with the relevant info - I hope it helps
Brian
wbill76
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Posted: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 11:29 PM UTC
Thanks for the update, will see if I can't find something equivalent here in the US or, if not, see about contacting the UK supplier.
dsotm
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Posted: Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 12:53 PM UTC
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Thanks for the update, will see if I can't find something equivalent here in the US or, if not, see about contacting the UK supplier.
Good luck Bill
If anyone does find an equivalent could they update this post for others? - I apologise for the scarcity of the product - I really had no idea when I did the article that it was not common worldwide
Brian
wbill76
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Posted: Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:14 AM UTC
After checking with a friend involved in the construction industry, his recommendation was to try latex-based sealant as those are water-based and should work as intended. I'll try that out this weekend (an excuse to go to Home Depot again 
), and see if that works or not.
In the meantime, I also experimented using rattlecan Dullcoat and it seemed to achieve a similar result but haven't tried to weather it or form it just yet...if I can make the latex work as intended, will be interesting to see how the methods compare.
), and see if that works or not. In the meantime, I also experimented using rattlecan Dullcoat and it seemed to achieve a similar result but haven't tried to weather it or form it just yet...if I can make the latex work as intended, will be interesting to see how the methods compare.
troubble27
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Posted: Friday, June 16, 2006 - 01:07 AM UTC
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Appreciate the effort! Hopefully there's a US equivalent...when I asked the counter clerk for a "water based silicon sealer" he looked at me strangely...
I cant be 100% sure, but I am guessing this is a latex brand of "caulk". I know caulk is water soluable and will dry to a rubbery silicone substance. I am going to try this techinque this weekend myself using latex caulk. The Silicone incident must have been interesting LOL You actually TOLD your wife?!?!?! When disaster strikes in my house, I keep my mouth shut LOL (especially if its my disaster)
scoccia
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Posted: Friday, June 16, 2006 - 01:28 AM UTC
Thaks very much for sharing it Brian!!!
Great feature
Ciao
Fabio
Great feature
Ciao
Fabio
coops
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Posted: Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:35 AM UTC
Hey Brian
Good article enquiring on Pallet?? Did you build
it yourself and if so what demensions did you
use?
Would you please share your knowledge with me.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Coops
Good article enquiring on Pallet?? Did you build
it yourself and if so what demensions did you
use?
Would you please share your knowledge with me.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Coops
dsotm
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Posted: Friday, June 16, 2006 - 03:39 PM UTC
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Hey Brian
Good article enquiring on Pallet?? Did you build
it yourself and if so what demensions did you
use?
Would you please share your knowledge with me.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Coops
Thanks Coops
I have had numerous enquiries on the pallet and ammo boxes - I am thinking of doing another article - will speak to Vinnie about it tomorrow at Duxford
Brian
wbill76
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Posted: Friday, June 16, 2006 - 10:30 PM UTC
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The Silicone incident must have been interesting LOL You actually TOLD your wife?!?!?! When disaster strikes in my house, I keep my mouth shut LOL (especially if its my disaster)
No, I found a way to clean it up (she was off visiting her sister when I made the attempt
) without revealing the disaster. Learned this one the hard way looooong time ago. Look forward to seeing your tests with the latex variety so we can compare notes.
Brian,
Hope you are able to get an article down on the pallets as well!
halftrak
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2006 - 11:04 AM UTC
I've just joined up and this is the first thread I have read. If this is an example of the forum I think I will enjoy it here. Thanks for a great tutorial. That tarp looks excellent.
2-2dragoon
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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 11:57 PM UTC
OK... which tissues at Wal-Mart are you US guys going to try to use?
I am sure he is referring to Latex based clear bathroom sealant, which, until dry, is water soluble. Also, how did you get your wife to let you use the iron and hair dryer? I have neither at my disposal... well, I could probably get the iron from her as she has not used it in a year or more, but that is another story. I should probably have a cheap hair dryer in my tool box anyway, huh?
Great article...
I am sure he is referring to Latex based clear bathroom sealant, which, until dry, is water soluble. Also, how did you get your wife to let you use the iron and hair dryer? I have neither at my disposal... well, I could probably get the iron from her as she has not used it in a year or more, but that is another story. I should probably have a cheap hair dryer in my tool box anyway, huh?
Great article...
wbill76
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Posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 05:23 AM UTC
Brian,
It took me a while but I was able to try out your method and all I have to say is that it rocks! I deviated from your recipe only slightly in the sense that I used enamel paint vs. acrylic and used MM Panzer Gray and Russian Armor Green as my colors. I also didn't use future and did all my weathering with MiG powders. I'm very very pleased with this method and want to thank you for posting it. Here's what my first attempt produced:
Steps 1-8:
Mid point on weathering:
Tied down and secured to the load underneath:
I used regular out of the box kleenex 2-ply tissue and didn't need to iron beforehand, the process of soaking with the caulk solution removed all the wrinkles by iteself and produced a very durable piece of material. I started with a full kleenex sheet and cut it down to this tarp size for my needs but could easily see how a single tissue could produce enough material for several tarps.
I was particularly impressed with how realistic the result was deployed but also folded or rolled. I will definitely be using this again. Once again, many thanks for sharing!
It took me a while but I was able to try out your method and all I have to say is that it rocks! I deviated from your recipe only slightly in the sense that I used enamel paint vs. acrylic and used MM Panzer Gray and Russian Armor Green as my colors. I also didn't use future and did all my weathering with MiG powders. I'm very very pleased with this method and want to thank you for posting it. Here's what my first attempt produced:
Steps 1-8:
Mid point on weathering:
Tied down and secured to the load underneath:
I used regular out of the box kleenex 2-ply tissue and didn't need to iron beforehand, the process of soaking with the caulk solution removed all the wrinkles by iteself and produced a very durable piece of material. I started with a full kleenex sheet and cut it down to this tarp size for my needs but could easily see how a single tissue could produce enough material for several tarps.
I was particularly impressed with how realistic the result was deployed but also folded or rolled. I will definitely be using this again. Once again, many thanks for sharing!
dsotm
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Posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 11:43 AM UTC
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OK... which tissues at Wal-Mart are you US guys going to try to use?
I am sure he is referring to Latex based clear bathroom sealant, which, until dry, is water soluble. Also, how did you get your wife to let you use the iron and hair dryer?
Great article...
Thanks - I used them when she was out heheheh.
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Brian,
It took me a while but I was able to try out your method and all I have to say is that it rocks! I deviated from your recipe only slightly in the sense that I used enamel paint vs. acrylic and used MM Panzer Gray and Russian Armor Green as my colors. I also didn't use future and did all my weathering with MiG powders. I'm very very pleased with this method and want to thank you for posting it.
Hey Bill I'm really glad you got it work
- the result looks fantastic!. I only use Future because it seals it and lets me use water with powders for weathering , and prevents Woodlands Scenic Water from soaking away when I make rain puddles on it. I also find it gives a realistic 'sheen' of tarpaulin when wet.How did you find the malleability/re-usability of the tarp when re-positioning?
Brian
wbill76
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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:05 AM UTC
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How did you find the malleability/re-usability of the tarp when re-positioning?
Brian
This, to me, was the one thing that really stood out. It was extremely malleable...it would confirm to anything it was placed over easily, even "sharp" corners, wtihout any problems at all. If I didn't like the look or shape, it was very easy to adjust/reposition. I found the method to be extremely forgiving, providing for a "try before you commit" flexibility that other methods I've used never had.
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:26 AM UTC
Hi Brian. Thanks for the SBS. I knew when I saw your "model on display" that this tarp was a perfect subject for a feature. I still cant believe how realistic they look in the pictures. Nice one!
Plasticat
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:04 PM UTC
I think I saw some sealer at the store the other day that might work and it is available just about everywhere in the US. It is made by DAP and called Kwik-Seal if I recall correctly. It is in a red/white squeeze tube and is advertized as water clean up silicone sealer. I think it is white in color. I think I will pick some up and give it a try.
sweaver
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Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:39 PM UTC
Is this feature no longer on Armorama? I clicked on the link and my browser says that it cannot be found. 
Canjuaan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:56 PM UTC
Same here. I'd really like to see this back on-line again. Would be very useful right now...
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:14 PM UTC
If it's missing it may be just a glitch on the server.
It's also over on another site. Hope it's not wrong to post it here, politics and all that. Sad if it is.
http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article.asp?SP=&v=3&UAN=402
I tend to "print" a pdf of any article I think may be of use and keep it on my pc for future reference. I have this one and it's an excellent article, very realistic results. The sealant is quite expensive to buy though.
Alan
It's also over on another site. Hope it's not wrong to post it here, politics and all that. Sad if it is.
http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article.asp?SP=&v=3&UAN=402
I tend to "print" a pdf of any article I think may be of use and keep it on my pc for future reference. I have this one and it's an excellent article, very realistic results. The sealant is quite expensive to buy though.
Alan
wbill76
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 01:33 AM UTC
The link in the original post used an old format for linking to article items, I've corrected it so it links properly now. Thanks for the heads-up.
The article is still here on Armorama. Correct link is below.
Making Realistic Tarps
As far as the cost of the sealer goes, not sure about the UK, but in the US simple bathroom caulk/latex tubes (water soluble) are only about $5 and will last a lifetime for this sort of thing.
The article is still here on Armorama. Correct link is below.
Making Realistic Tarps
As far as the cost of the sealer goes, not sure about the UK, but in the US simple bathroom caulk/latex tubes (water soluble) are only about $5 and will last a lifetime for this sort of thing.
alanmac
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 01:53 AM UTC
Hi
Thanks Bill.
In my opinon the feature is laid out better in Amorama to be honest. I still think it's a good idea to pdf any article, feature you see. You could of course print it and have it by your workbench to refer to.
I think the advantage for me with pdf is that it saves paper, I can look at it on the screen without connection to a site, and most importantly, (for my old eyes) I can use the zoom feature in Acrobat Reader to enlarge sections to read the text, see any pictures better.
The only downside is if the article uses the "multi image in one place" feature some have. You know scroll over the numbers under a picture and it changes.
For those without a pdf creator, a free one is available at www.pdf995.com for those on Windows and of course OSX on the Apple has it built in.
I've created a Modelling Folder on my computer and then sub divided that into various subject related folders, such as Techniques and Tutorials. Every so often I burn the folder to CD/DVD in case my 'puter goes belly up.
Alan
Thanks Bill.
In my opinon the feature is laid out better in Amorama to be honest. I still think it's a good idea to pdf any article, feature you see. You could of course print it and have it by your workbench to refer to.
I think the advantage for me with pdf is that it saves paper, I can look at it on the screen without connection to a site, and most importantly, (for my old eyes) I can use the zoom feature in Acrobat Reader to enlarge sections to read the text, see any pictures better.
The only downside is if the article uses the "multi image in one place" feature some have. You know scroll over the numbers under a picture and it changes.
For those without a pdf creator, a free one is available at www.pdf995.com for those on Windows and of course OSX on the Apple has it built in.
I've created a Modelling Folder on my computer and then sub divided that into various subject related folders, such as Techniques and Tutorials. Every so often I burn the folder to CD/DVD in case my 'puter goes belly up.
Alan
sweaver
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 01:56 AM UTC
Thanks, Bill!
tartan
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 02:26 AM UTC
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Appreciate the effort! Hopefully there's a US equivalent...when I asked the counter clerk for a "water based silicon sealer" he looked at me strangely...
just buy dap's alex or alex plus in a squeeze tube. alex plus has a silicon additive for flexibility.
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:47 AM UTC
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Great tips thanks!
As a side note, was that Jagdtiger crew suicidal?
Cheers,
Christophe
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