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MiamiJHawk
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:27 PM UTC
I should make two points before explaining the three photos below:

1. I don't feel I can post in the location the pix of the figure on this base. It
is in the Fantasy relm so wouldn't be Military or Historical. But because of
the material used, I thought it might be of some value to beginners who
live in the United States. (Unfortunately, the product I use to spread over
the 1/2 inch plywood, is not available at this point in time, outside the
United States. It is called Clayshay and is a powdered papier maché
product offered by Aves Studios at www.avesstudios.com in Wisconsin.
I have mentioned it on the Big A previously).

2. I try to remember the beginners who join our site each day and there
are many of them. So this note is aimed toward them, and probably won't
be of interest to the experienced Big A threadmaker, modeler. With that
part noted, I will proceed:

The 1/2 plywood base is 10" X 12" in size. There are two raised pieces
of bass wood glued, with 5 minute epoxy glue, over the plywood
in the spots where the two feet of the 12 inch tall figure will be position.
(I used 4 pieces of basswood of small thickness to make a box
that the plywood base fits down into w/ a raised "lip" of about
3/8th inch. Thus you will not see the rough edge of the plywood.) The
I mixed Clayshaw powder w/ water in a large cup. It starts to harden in
about an hour. It will not shrink, can be carved and drilled and sanded,
and altho it is lightweight, it can take very rough handling, unlike Plaster
of Paris. I applied the Clayshay in several layers, letting each layer get
dry before proceeding to the next layer. Of course, I built up the Clayshay
around the two pieces of basswood that stick up. When all was dry, I
carved a large "flagstone" pattern into the Clayshay. The first photo show
that part completed.


The second photo shows my small work bench, that was a desk. You can
see that I use a big piece of Auto Safety glass for a palette to mix the
acrylic colors. I went to a Auto glass place and asked if I could pay for a
scrap piece. The man sanded all the edges and just gave it to me; free!
I rattlecaned a part of the back of the glass w/ white. I like the glass
because it is so hard and thus easy to clean with a palette knife. In this
photo the Clayshay has been painted with a group of layers working from
dark blackish-brownish-green to the lighter tones that were some of the
previous colors mixed with white and a smidge of yellow. Since the fig is
to be in a dungeon, I wanted the rocks to look dark, dank, slimy and
mildew like.



The last photo shows a closer look at the rock pattern and the colors
used. I hope this may be of use to some of the beginners.


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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:38 PM UTC
it sounds like it's Similar to Durham's Rock Hard Water Putty
MiamiJHawk
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:45 PM UTC
Hi Matt:

Thanks fer takin' time to respond. I used to use
Durham's Rock Hard Water Putty (yrs. ago) and
still have about a third of a can left of that. However, it
didn't have the strength to be carved or whittled or
have holes drilled into it without cracking and breaking
up as I remember. Perhaps you know something that
I do not. I've used Durham's, Celuclay, Sub-terrain
Foam Putty and other things like real dirt. And for my
money this is the best I've used. I even have made
walls and arches with it. . . about 3/4" in thickness.

Kind regards,
rick
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:55 PM UTC
Just a Observation......... I haven't tried it I usually use Joint Compound or Plaster over Foam (either Insulation sheet or the stuff in the Can)
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:55 PM UTC
That is just superb painting Rick! Looking forward to the end result!

Happy modelling
MiamiJHawk
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 09:17 PM UTC
Hey there Francisco:

So good to hear from the master of 1:72nd figure
dioramas. I appreciate the kind words. Of course, you
realize that when I get the final pix with the mosta'
sitting atop that there slimy floor, it will have to be
posted on Model Geek as the fig is in the Fantasy
genré. Hopefully, I won't end up putting it in the "junk
drawer" like last week. Ahma' still scratching my a. . .
ah . . . make that still scratching ma' haid, yeh, that's it
my HAID about that. . . . :-) :-) :-)
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 09:35 PM UTC
:-) :-) :-)

I'm far from being any kind of "master" so I'll just keep practising and hope and continue getting comments like yours, it shows that I' on the right path!

Anyway keep up the good work, I also like sci-fi stuff, mostly movie-related, so let us see what's coming out from that tidy looking workbench you got as soon as possible
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 11:03 PM UTC
Roger that, Francisco:

Hopefully, next week. . . on Model Geek.
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2006 - 05:09 AM UTC
Looks good so far Rick, although I still use and never had any of the problems you seem to have had with Durhams, it good to see other products being used and shown.
Looking forward to seeing it all finished.
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2006 - 07:34 AM UTC
Rick, cool base buddy!!! I am glad to see you are showing some things to the guys and gals here. Also am glad to see you showing people some ClayShay I have been meaning to do a reveiw on it but just cant seem to find the time for much of anything anymore. Maybe you will do one? As for Clayshay I can fully recommend it, I dont think i will use anything else again. thanks for turning me on to it! Cheers Kevin
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2006 - 02:55 PM UTC

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I hope this may be of use to some of the beginners.



Ta, Ricardo! Can you drop it around tomorrow? I'll be working until about 5, but pop it behind the front gate, and don't worry about the "Beware of the Dog" sign. It is from the previous owners...
Hehe looks spicko! The mo' slahm grahm etc you add tuit the better Rhett :-)
How about a skull or se7en lying about and a tibia with medial malleolus?
On a serious note though, (sorry!) have you thought about having a small rock wall formation in one corner, not too high to give the feel of a cavern/dungeon?
Cheers
Brad
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2006 - 03:27 PM UTC
Fellow Modelers:

Thank you for taking time to respond.

@Dave: After reading your words on Durham's,
perhaps I didn't work w/ it long enough to understand
all it's benefits, Dave. Appreicate your endorsement,
because for modelers on a budget, and who isn't. . .
Durham's Rock Hard Water putty would not be as
expensive, and it is in a local hardware store. No
postage to pay for a 5 pound box.

@Kevin/Jackhammer: With the KC IPMS Nats cummin'
up and that huge dio project of yours Kevin, no wonder
you have no spare time. I have given thought to writing
an article/review of that product, especially since it isn't
known that well here on the big a. Hopefully, after I
get my Nats entries completed, I will give it a go.

@Brad: Aw dude, you're doing it again. . . the beward of
dog sign is left over from previous owner. . . I'm on the
floor laughing. Sounds like you might have a medical
background, Tibia? Wasn't that in Asia Minor in the
First Century? But seriously folks, I didn't want to add
anything extra to the base on this project, because I
wanted the big monsta' figure to be the dominent
part, since it is for the IPMS/USA Nationals. And they
only judge the figure, not the base. However, I feel
all your ideas mentioned would be great for another
ghoulish project. Will store that in my haid, and
hopefully it won't get short circuited behind the tibia or
the fibula or the neck bone connected to the haid . . .
you get the idea. :-) :-) :-)
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