hi,
i'm planning to create a vignette with an FT-17 descending upon some hapless germans in their trench and I need to gather some info:
1.) any info on FT-17 action against german trenches? as in which country and what color schemes were used?
2.)any photos of the german trenches?
I know about the 'landships forum' and that will be my first stop for research, but if anyone has other info, that would be of great help
cheers,
sonny
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ww1 trench + FT 17
orange_3D
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 10:17 AM UTC
Drader
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 01:47 PM UTC
As well as Landships, have a look at the FT-17 pages on Chars Francais, which is where I found this pic.
David
David
MeCOwhy
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 02:09 PM UTC
And I found this
..on Polish Wikipedia.
'A German trench in the swamp area near the Hell Lakes on the Eastern Front.
Picture made in February 1915, just before the German winter-offensive started in heavy snowstorms'
And a big pic of FT 17 --> here
Also something a bit strange but quite interesting: Virtual tours on the BBC website including Trench Virtual Tour.
I hope you'll make use of any of this stuff
..on Polish Wikipedia.
'A German trench in the swamp area near the Hell Lakes on the Eastern Front.
Picture made in February 1915, just before the German winter-offensive started in heavy snowstorms'
And a big pic of FT 17 --> here
Also something a bit strange but quite interesting: Virtual tours on the BBC website including Trench Virtual Tour.
I hope you'll make use of any of this stuff
airwarrior
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 02:07 AM UTC
The problem with that trench pic is that it was taken in 1915. That is long before tanks got any serious usage, especially the FT-17. Trenches were in a constant state of evolution as new ideas were tried out to counter new methods of warfare. It wold be like having a direct vision Sherman in Germany in 1945. Just not very feasable.
I'll look for some trench photos later when I get back home...
I'll look for some trench photos later when I get back home...
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 02:16 AM UTC
I'll give you a rough translation of the French in the first photo
"Our tanks attacking among (or around) the rocks (or obstacles)
One wonders what they are attacking since they are going in the opposite direction of each other.
"Our tanks attacking among (or around) the rocks (or obstacles)
One wonders what they are attacking since they are going in the opposite direction of each other.
orange_3D
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 08:36 AM UTC
thanks for the info guys,
the first pic with the FT-17 facing wach other looks like a typical publicity photo,
those bbc virtual tours look very interesting! i gotta check it out later as i dont have QT in my office machine
looking forward to seeing your trench photos David
the first pic with the FT-17 facing wach other looks like a typical publicity photo,
those bbc virtual tours look very interesting! i gotta check it out later as i dont have QT in my office machine
looking forward to seeing your trench photos David
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 08:54 AM UTC
Rummage around in Osprey's catalog and you'll find they have booklets on trench warfare, German uniforms and weapons, trench systems, WW1 artillery, and even a title on the FT-17 (though it may be out of print just now).
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 09:08 AM UTC
Osprey's book is the old Vanguard series number 46, The Renault FT Light Tank. ISBN 0-85045-852-8 may help in your search for a used copy.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 09:47 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I'll give you a rough translation of the French in the first photo
"Our tanks attacking among (or around) the rocks (or obstacles)
One wonders what they are attacking since they are going in the opposite direction of each other.
"Évoluant" should translate more like "moving around".
So the purpose of the picture is to show how well the tank can manage with obstacles such as rocks.
Philippe
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 09:54 AM UTC
That is an interesting picture. It appears to me as if they are running a circuit, just as Phillipe said, to show it's cross country abilities.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 01:57 PM UTC
Airwarrior is right to say that the trenches of 1918 were very different to the siege lines of 1915-17. The Somme convinced the Germans that the growing power of Allied artillery made such elaborate defences virtual death traps and moved over to a more dispersed defence based on MG pillboxes , shell holes and counter attacks.
And by the time the FT-17 first appeared in action in the summer of 1918, fighting had also become more mobile as the spring 1918 German offensive and then, by the summer, the German retreat had taken the fighting away from the static lines of the previous years.
David
And by the time the FT-17 first appeared in action in the summer of 1918, fighting had also become more mobile as the spring 1918 German offensive and then, by the summer, the German retreat had taken the fighting away from the static lines of the previous years.
David
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 05:55 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextI'll give you a rough translation of the French in the first photo
"Our tanks attacking among (or around) the rocks (or obstacles)
One wonders what they are attacking since they are going in the opposite direction of each other.
"Évoluant" should translate more like "moving around".
So the purpose of the picture is to show how well the tank can manage with obstacles such as rocks.
Philippe
Philippe-- thanks, my French is definitely rusty.
DJ
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