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Idea for Sherman/Pantherturm dio
Jamesite
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 05:06 PM UTC
Hi Guys!
Heres my idea for a dio for mt M4A3 sherman i'm currently building (the thread for which can be found here )
The sherman is one my dad built years ago and I inherited for spares and the figures are old ones from the spare box so please don't worry about the painting/quality of these, I assure you mine will be much better! The pantherturm I can accept responsibility for but I intend to give it a new coat of paint and add a lot more detail to the base.
For an idea of how the figures and tank will look heres the kit i'm using:



Any comments or suggestions much appreciated, In particular i'm unsure as to whether the commander and driver should have their hatches open (as pictured below) or closed.

Cheers,

James






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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 05:52 PM UTC
It's very dynamic looking but I think if the Sherman commander had any choice he would drive around the pantherturm rather than expose his under armoured belly to panzerfausts or PAK attack.
Even in action Sherman commanders spent a lot of time peeping out of their turrets -not so the drivers who relied on the TC's instructions.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 06:02 PM UTC
I have to agree with Pat on this one - dramatic but probably not realistic. So you can decide if you want to be an artist and go for it or a historian and put the Sherman next to the Pantherturm.

You could expand the base and add in some type of obsticles that would force the tank over. Huge rubble pile, anti-tank traps...
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 06:25 PM UTC
Hmmm, good point guys.

It is somewhat unrealistic I admit, However, I think i'll go the artistic route as it looks more dranatic as you say. I'll say the road is blocked (and add debry to suggest this) and the comander is confident he has eliminated any serious oposition in the area, therefore making this the only available route? Sound plausible?

Thanks for the input guys,

James
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 06:40 PM UTC
I agree with pat and Scot.
For the obstacle, why not choosing this kind of cossed metal bars called hedgehogs, one on each side ?. Tamyia does for cheap :


Best,
Julien
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 06:56 PM UTC
It's quite rare but I have to disagree with both Pat and Scott :-)
I can't see why the Sherman would not have rammed the turret... And here it could be preparing to pass over it which would minimize the chance it takes a bullet on its underside?

I suppose those turrets with their low profile would have been a real pain to destroy, and then why not thinking about this Sherman coming from behind and taking it at reverse this way -even maybe by chance!
but then if the guys nearby are shooting, that means the germans are not far, therefore I would advise the tank commander to put his head back into the tank at least a little bit more!!

and anyhow, hurray for artistic license :-)


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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 07:51 PM UTC
Thanks for the support Jean!
I always say that whatever you can come up with in a diorama probably happened at some point or other in the war, as war in its very nature creates these wierd situations.
Oh yeah and I agree the commander wouldn't be quite that far out of the turret!
However, I like Julien's idea of adding some baricades towards the sides of the pantherturm, not only to give more reasoning to the scene, but I also think it would look pretty good too. A bonus is I already have the best part of the Tamiya barricade set sitting around waiting to be used!

Keep those ideas coming!

James
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 10:38 PM UTC
Nasty Jean, he loves to disagree just for the pleasure. Typically french !
James, I advised you this solution as I saw yu already used these barriers in your Desert dio.
Best,
Julien
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 04:23 PM UTC
lol, Julien! :-)

However, he is agreeing with the English - how untypically French!
:-)

Glad to see you're paying attention, if I post enough pics you'll know whats in my spares box(es) as well as me!

James
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 08:31 PM UTC
A couple of ideas....
Why don't you put a pile of rubble under the Sherman in order to position the tank at the same level with the turret!So it will be coming down to the turret instead of climbing onto it...This way you also have better view angle of the tank in your dio.
Another idea,should you expand the base,is having the Sharman going over the barel of the turret instead of the whole thing.Two birds with one stone...Disabled turret and obstacle problem solved...

Tasos
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 08:45 PM UTC

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A couple of ideas....
Why don't you put a pile of rubble under the Sherman in order to position the tank at the same level with the turret!So it will be coming down to the turret instead of climbing onto it...This way you also have better view angle of the tank in your dio.
Another idea,should you expand the base,is having the Sharman going over the barel of the turret instead of the whole thing.Two birds with one stone...Disabled turret and obstacle problem solved...

Tasos



A couple of good ideas there Tasos,
I was intending to add a lot more rubble under the sherman to make it at less of an angle with the base (and therefore its underbelly less of a target), and to make it easier to have climbed onto the turret. I can't really make it too high as the pantherturm would have had to of had room for it's turret to traverse. On the other hand, it is quite possible that rubble from collapsed buildings could easily have fallen onto the turret.
As for expanding the base, i'm not to keen on this idea for a few reasons.
- Firstly because everything already fits onto this in a nice tight little dio.
- Secondly, i'd have a hard time expanding the base and making it look good, as the cobblestone effect would have to be accurately copied, the base is higher at one end than the other and keeping the curved outline of the base looking natural would be very hard.
- Finally, i'm running out of room to display all my dio's and so i'm of the opinion less is more!

James
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 09:55 PM UTC
Couple things.

First, take a look at the box art and your treads...they are on the wrong sides. The chevron points downward in front.

Second, the running gear on the side facing the viewer does not appear to be reactiing to the uneven surface it's crawling over. The suspension on the foremost road wheel should be compressed upward in response to the turret. On the other side, the suspension should be responding to the base of the barrel as well. Of course, I'm making the assumption that the boggies allow some travel. And I don't know if Tamiya allows you to position them if they do in real life.

Unless you want to depict the tank stopped in this position, the shooter is in a very precarious position, directly in front of the tracks.
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 10:12 PM UTC

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Couple things.

First, take a look at the box art and your treads...they are on the wrong sides. The chevron points downward in front.

Second, the running gear on the side facing the viewer does not appear to be reactiing to the uneven surface it's crawling over. The suspension on the foremost road wheel should be compressed upward in response to the turret. On the other side, the suspension should be responding to the base of the barrel as well. Of course, I'm making the assumption that the boggies allow some travel. And I don't know if Tamiya allows you to position them if they do in real life.

Unless you want to depict the tank stopped in this position, the shooter is in a very precarious position, directly in front of the tracks.



Hey Al,
Don't think you read my text before responding!
This is an old old tank my dad made that I simply plonked onto the base with some old figures to give the rough idea of what i'm thinking of. May this be a lesson to you to read a thread first! :-)
However, You make a good point about the bogies, The Tamiya ones cannot be positioned as if being compressed and so when building my dio i'll have to be sure that they don't look unrealistic as they do here!

James
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 10:17 PM UTC

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Unless you want to depict the tank stopped in this position, the shooter is in a very precarious position, directly in front of the tracks.



Oh yeah, good point here too.
I'll move him, but I presume he's running and has stopped to get a quick shot off before continuing. The tank will be moving slowly enough to enable him to do this I think? I reckon armoured division infantry would be comfortable enough around their tanks to know when and when not they were in danger anyways.

James
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:21 PM UTC

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Hey Al,
Don't think you read my text before responding!
This is an old old tank my dad made that I simply plonked onto the base with some old figures to give the rough idea of what i'm thinking of. May this be a lesson to you to read a thread first! :-)

James


To which I reply, D'OH!
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