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Scud-B in progress....
james84
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 02:56 AM UTC
A fairly old kit, but you are working on it greatly! Waiting to see it finished!
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 04:27 AM UTC
Hey Jurgen,
Man this is looking real super. I’ve been following along and learning a few tips. It’s hard to believe when you say it’s your “first try at seriously scratching.” everything is clean and neat and the cuts are straight. Have you kept track at the hours…looking forward to the next update.

Joe

BTW: my favorite part is the hand level in the cab.
ti
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 02:04 PM UTC
I envy you at being so neat. Did you and Joe gang up to learn the trade?? Darn fine job man. No, sorry, excellent!!!!
Jurjen
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 03:35 PM UTC
I'm happy you guys like it sofar!

Are you interested in some Step by Steps?

ti
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 03:37 PM UTC
Hell yeah
Jacques
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 08:32 PM UTC
No quiting Jurjen! You are giving me all the cheat tips I need to build the other kits I have, so you are not allowed to quit until the work is all done. The cab may be tedious to work on but it looks wonderfull. And easier for all of us to see where the details need to be added so we can copy...er, learn where things need to go!

Jurjen
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:10 PM UTC
Modelling is not good for my blood pressure :-)

Spent to much hours today on the side wall en top of the drivers cabine. I bought yesterday Evergreens Handbook and it brought me a lot of eye-openers. Even like simple things to use paper as templates

Here are some in progress pics:

This was the part to work from, unfortanely not all the parts are 100% square so I couldn't use the kitpart as a template for cutting the evergreen.

Had this tool for some years but I never used it? Aaargh, it could have saved me from a lot a problems in the past. I used to use a scale ruler for measuring al kind of things. But sometimes you make mistakes with the distances you need to remember. Well, adjust the caliper to a kitpart or something else, and duplicate the distance on the evergreen. How simple!

Use papersheet to cut the part that you want to make from evergreen first! You can check then if the sizes are good and if the part will fit.


Took me 4 tries to get the wall side right. It would be really frustated if these were all cut out from evergreen,......

Put the template on a evergreen sheet.

Roughly cut out the door openings

Tada, believe me,..it cost me a lot of frustation to achieve this but I learnt during this process more then the entire build sofar. On the left top of the left door opening is a part missing. I haven't put it on the cabine for the photo, just forgot


Oke, Now I'm doubting how I need to glue the parts together. I can close the cabine now but then I can't paint the interior.....Still doubting about it.

Oke, the other side is calling now. grrrrrrrr

Cheers!
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 09:23 AM UTC
Fabulous jurjen! Excellent picture tutorial on using paper templates. Keep at it, but shouldn't it HELP your blood pressure? :-) Relax and let the model glue FLOW through you...
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 12:12 PM UTC

Quoted Text

But to be honest I'm really get bored of the interior. I just wish to continue on the rest of the vehicle,....it really seems that it is going to be an endless build...grrrrrrrrrrrr


Keep at it Jurjen. Tthis is starting to look very impressive, you´re doing a fine job. But unfortunately, to get this degree of detail, you have to put in the time and effort. The scud OOB is a fine model, but lifting each section to this degree, you gonna have one model you´ll be proud of for a very long time. But you seem to be coming to grips quickly with tips and tricks, and you´ll probably find it much easier as you progress.
The drivers cabin is looking great ... only 3 more cabins to go! :-)

I kept the outer wall and roof seperate until I painted the inside of each cabin. I just made sure ... in advance ... that these parts would fit easily afterwards ... lots of dry fitting. This cabin has also the most awkward details ... the other cabins will be a piece of cake after this!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 12:51 PM UTC
Looks good. It will look extremely impressive when finished.

It is a mammut project you have started on. Basicly building your own Scud B almost from scratch. So far it is very impressive what you have done.

Keep the morale high and keep sharing
Jurjen
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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 09:41 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments guys! I think I will paint the Scud so I need to wait with glueing the side en top walls.

I found a new job fortunately so I;m not been able to spend that much time on it. But on the other side, I can increase my modelling budget :-)

I will keep you updated!
Jacques
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 08:30 AM UTC
BUMP.

Oh Jurjen, how is it going?
ti
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 12:29 PM UTC
Jurjen, your detailing is absolutely second to none. Fantastic.
Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 04:27 PM UTC
Hi Guys!

well, to be honest,.....

I put the Scud aside for a moment because I became too stressed on it. I made the mistake to went to fast on the small details and then you get the feeling no progress is made.

At the moment I'm working on the SA-6 gainful which is nearly done Then I'm doubting to begin at the SA-13 Gopher or continue on the Scud. (which has now become a long period project)

Lately totally mad on russian anti-air vehicles. Maybe I should post over on the Aeroscale forum, lol.

But thanks for the interest guys! I really stimulates me to continue on it.

Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 05:22 PM UTC
looks like a cool project jurjen, i hope you will finish it, even though it might take a while.
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 11:32 PM UTC
Wow....this thread is just worth its weight in gold. I build this beast a couple of years ago, OOTB. I wish I had half the skill you are exhibiting with this build, when I made mine. Taking everything you do as a reference for the next one.
Jurjen
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Posted: Monday, May 14, 2007 - 12:59 AM UTC
Hi Guys!

Thanks for the encouragements! It really makes me feel



When my current build is finished maybe I will continue with it
AlexRybka
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Posted: Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 04:36 PM UTC
Hello,
My name is Alexander. I'm from Russia.
I'm want to build Scud-B too. I find a lot of photos, books. When I find this topic I was surprised and read it with great interest.
But I want to ask the scud-builder: What about chassis?
I think, that Dragon chassis is very bad and don't accurate.
Look to this photos.
http://www.vif2ne.ru/smf/stuff/stenkabg/00150_9930973.jpg
http://www.vif2ne.ru/smf/stuff/stenkabg/00150_3531833.jpg

And what will you do with chassis now?

P.S.Sorry for my english.
With best regards,
Alexander Rybka
Jurjen
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Posted: Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 05:45 PM UTC
Hi Alexander!

First a warm welcome to the site!

I have only been busy with the cabines so I can't give you information on the chassis. But it is very obvious that the chassis is very (!) simplified. Maybe the areas behind the wheels can use some detailing but I don't know how much is visible after the build.

Unfortunately I can't open the photos.

So what's your building interest? Russian AFV? :)

Cheers!

Jurjen
AlexRybka
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Posted: Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 07:00 PM UTC
Hi Jurjen,
Let's try again
chassis 1
chassis 2

And this is link to a good russian walkaround with photos of chassis
Scud B

My building interest:
German WW2 AFV
Soviet Modern AFV
Mil's Helicopters

With best regards,
Alexander Rybka
Jurjen
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Posted: Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 07:44 PM UTC
Hi Alexander!

A big THANK YOU for giving that site! Didn't know of it and I finally found a Strela Walk-around. I was really looking for that.

So have a nice from me!

Jurjen
mat
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Posted: Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 01:40 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Jurjen,
Let's try again
chassis 1
chassis 2

And this is link to a good russian walkaround with photos of chassis
Scud B




Great pics,

I've been planning for years to build the TOPOL SS-25. Does anybody know if the chassis is the same as for the scud? I know the topol is about 80 cm wider but I guess the suspension and tires sizes are the same?

Cheers,

Matthijs
Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 03:27 PM UTC
Hi Matthijs,

Dude That would be the super-master-scratchbuild-project if you're planning to build that one. I have no clue about the chassis but I think most will be the same.

Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 04:48 PM UTC
Hi Matthijs.
The chassis of the ????? and scud strongly differ, at least quantity(amount) of wheels )
Here the reference to self-made model of a topol. Author did this model 6 years

Topol

I think that much easier to construct all from zero easier, than to be tormented with Dragon kit
mat
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Posted: Monday, May 28, 2007 - 12:19 AM UTC
WOOOOOOOOOOW

thank you for that link, I wonder how he found out about the details. Was he one of the crewmen?

I must say I'm very desillusioned now, This model looks excellent

By the way, the chassis is a MAZ 7912 or 7917 I found the dimensions on avtomash.ru. By randomly clicking the links (I can't read Russian) I found out the width is 3385 mm instead of the 3000 and a bit for the scud TEL
I first have to find out how to make my own resin wheels, I wanted to use the scud ones but the pattern and the hubs are very different.

When my stash is empty Í'll start the project