Someone said on here that it is a fallied tank?

our Dorchester armour has stopped everything thrown at it,the only time it has been breeched was when something went through the front /bottom and took out the drivers legs, compared to the Abrams seems to brew up as soon as some one gives it a dirty look.

Only 2 people have mentioned T-90.
Why, isnt it one of the best tanks in the world??

has to be the chally2, may not be the fastest, or have the most gagdets on it but it is a good honest tank which does what is asked of it,
Someone said on here that it is a fallied tank? our Dorchester armour has stopped everything thrown at it,the only time it has been breeched was when something went through the front /bottom and took out the drivers legs, compared to the Abrams seems to brew up as soon as some one gives it a dirty look.
Untill a Afv is combat tested i dont see how the others can make any list we put forward.
The chally 2 kept me safe when it counted.
Now putting on kevlar and body armour awiting incoming from any U.S Cav reading

Michael, as others have done, I would have to argue that the Abrams, Challenger and Merkava tanks haven't really been battle tested. They have experience in combat operations, but thats not the same. They have faced outdated, under-maintanenced tanks, and those are only the very few that survived the heavy airstrikes that preceded the ground action. Other than that, the heaviest competition they fave is IEDs and RPGs.

The time of superpowers facing off seems to have been over for a while, so really no modern tank has been battle tested, or will be.

This is it,there is no real way to stop IIED's,except not to travel up and down roads like we all do out there and that is just what they want..
It seems we are asking the tank to do a job that it is not designed to do.

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Now I have had the privilege to drive a lot of tanks and work on them as well. So my views are of those from a personal note
BUT a serious NOTE a tank is only has good as its CREW, and the theatre which it is designed for.
But No tank can or has been able to with stand a IED.
I will talk firstly about the tanks in service this way it is easier to distinguish which what order.


UK British Challenger ok only two only ever been knocked out one by blue on blue and a lucky shot, second recently a large IED. None have been penetrated by a RPG. Not driven a challenger two but have a challenger 1

USA M1 well this is tank is heavily armoured for frontal attack but it has suffered in its time from RPG and IED but more over has been updated with each hurdle it faces , Driven a M1 ( hated it )

Leopard 2A5 /6 one of the most common tanks in service in Europe but has not been battle proven other the short time there were in Kosovo but not faced another tank or RPG. Driven this tank and gives a driver a sense of confidences

T72 ok this is used by many people but has a tank it was mass produced but if used correctly it can and would be a nuisance to modern tanks, you ask why well it is fast and very agile. Driven this tank very agile, easy to drive like a sports car.

Merkava
This is a tank which has been designed from battle /urban experience and is for there battle theatre great tank taken hits and survived

Centurion yes it is still in service at least three countries it is a tank which has been around a long time but it is now at a stage where it can compete with all tanks, it has a far superior engine a fire control systems based on some of the modern tanks and a rate of fire which is really fast, the Swedish army before changing them use to be able to fire 14 rounds a minute each hitting different targets.

T55/T54,T62 and others I have driven these and can say they are hard work more then a Centurion.

Challenger 1 a proven tank and holds the longest first round hit at 5000mtrs a great tank.

Kahlid another great tank based on Chieftain and challenger it was the original Shir

Leclerc. French tank on paper is good and fast.


Type 90 on paper it is a good tank
New Korean tank again looks good on paper.


So my personal lists in no order.


Challenger 2 battle proven
M1 battle proven
Merkava battle proven
T90
Type 90
Leclerc

But which would I would drive into battle.
Centurion upgraded
Or a Challenger 2.

But a tank is only as good has the CREW in it and the support which it has and what it was designed for. Take it to another environment which it is not designed for then it will suffer.

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This is it,there is no real way to stop IIED's,except not to travel up and down roads like we all do out there and that is just what they want..
It seems we are asking the tank to do a job that it is not designed to do.

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I've essentially been saying this, that when you decide what tank is the best you must look at what is designed todo and or counter. Many people thought that the Tank was or is a thing of the past. The Canadian's had essentially killed off the LEO's because they thought they wouldn't be needed in the types of fighting that we are doing today. WRONG, they have reversed their decision. Even the U.S. Army discovered that there would still be a need of heavy armor in the future to supplement their Future Combat System. Each Tank should be evaluated for what it was designed for and then a judgement should be made. Now, how different are tanks today, many share the same systems or weapons, even armor packages, so how different are they really. The biggest difference between some the vehicles is the type of fire control system used and what it can or can't do, but that's where the training of the crews come in. When you evaluate a system of vehicles, you also need to look at the training of the crews when evaluating the system as a whole.

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SimonAFV, sorry.... as an M1A1 tanker you are going to have to explain yourself alot better than what you did for your #6 ranking of the M1A2. If I'm right and I believe I am, the M1A1 fleet is upgrading to the M1A2, then M1A2 SEP. But until the others you listed get into combat I dont think they can touch the M1 Family, Challenger Family or Merkava Family of tanks. Battle tested and survived, pretty impressive resume. If I had a dollar for every T55 that was knocked out in combat...well I think I'd have a pocket full of dollars.