Dont Know if you noticed but this tread is 6 pages long and that campaign start is still more than 2 months away. I think you stirred up a hornets nest of Sherman lovers. Good job.
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ltb073
Joined: March 08, 2010
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 03:32 PM UTC
Hey Paul,
Dont Know if you noticed but this tread is 6 pages long and that campaign start is still more than 2 months away. I think you stirred up a hornets nest of Sherman lovers. Good job.
Dont Know if you noticed but this tread is 6 pages long and that campaign start is still more than 2 months away. I think you stirred up a hornets nest of Sherman lovers. Good job.
ppawlak1
Joined: March 14, 2006
KitMaker: 1,973 posts
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 04:04 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hey Paul,
Dont Know if you noticed but this tread is 6 pages long and that campaign start is still more than 2 months away. I think you stirred up a hornets nest of Sherman lovers. Good job.
Yes it's good...
almost 5000 hits also.
We need to get more starters though - close to 100 would be great !!
Paul
AlanL
Joined: August 12, 2005
KitMaker: 14,499 posts
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 10:20 PM UTC
Hi Guys,
OK, here is one for you all to trake a second look at:
The M4A3 Sherman as has been started many times was not used operationally by the British, only 7 being listed as being received.
However, in British Sherman Tanks by Dennis Oliver he mentions the M4A3 Sherman IV. In operational tables compiled by 1 Armoured Replacement Group of 15th Army are listed 33 Sherman IVs received "ex Units and Formations" between 11 May 1944 and 2 May 1945.
The implications of the "ex Units and Formations" line is obvious, unfortunately no explanation or specific units are listed, but there may have been a limited number in action with the British, possibly aquired form the Americans as repalcements? Who knows but the M4A3 was externally very similar to the M4A2 so based on that data I believe one is doable.
It would be good to have a picture, and who knows what might turn up in the future.
How many pictures have been mis-identified, with the similarity between the M4A3 and M4A2 and because no one is looking for the M4A3 in Brish Service who knows one might already exist, don't you just love Shermans.
So would you all please keep you eye out and see if you can come up with anything concrete
Thanks
Al
OK, here is one for you all to trake a second look at:
The M4A3 Sherman as has been started many times was not used operationally by the British, only 7 being listed as being received.
However, in British Sherman Tanks by Dennis Oliver he mentions the M4A3 Sherman IV. In operational tables compiled by 1 Armoured Replacement Group of 15th Army are listed 33 Sherman IVs received "ex Units and Formations" between 11 May 1944 and 2 May 1945.
The implications of the "ex Units and Formations" line is obvious, unfortunately no explanation or specific units are listed, but there may have been a limited number in action with the British, possibly aquired form the Americans as repalcements? Who knows but the M4A3 was externally very similar to the M4A2 so based on that data I believe one is doable.
It would be good to have a picture, and who knows what might turn up in the future.
How many pictures have been mis-identified, with the similarity between the M4A3 and M4A2 and because no one is looking for the M4A3 in Brish Service who knows one might already exist, don't you just love Shermans.
So would you all please keep you eye out and see if you can come up with anything concrete
Thanks
Al
jjumbo
Joined: August 27, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 11:17 PM UTC
Hey Al,
This site may add some confusion regarding M4A3's in British service.
I puts forward that U.S. M4A3's were converted to Fireflys for use in Italy.
Very interesting...... !!
Cheers
jjumbo
This site may add some confusion regarding M4A3's in British service.
I puts forward that U.S. M4A3's were converted to Fireflys for use in Italy.
Very interesting...... !!
Cheers
jjumbo
endrju007
Joined: December 05, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 11:25 PM UTC
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ppawlak1
Joined: March 14, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 11:29 PM UTC
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A.
Thank you Andzej !
You're the best !!
Cheers
Paul
Copperalis
Joined: October 20, 2007
KitMaker: 52 posts
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 11:56 PM UTC
I'm in. My first campaign, and I'm going with Tasca's Sherman VC firefly 'Carole' set sometime before D-Day when there is good reference material available.
Some comments/questions on vehicle stowage.
1) On the left-hand side of the first picture here http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35172pix.html there is an ammunition box. Based on the lack of such boxes shown on photographs here http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/message/1167036218/A+Review+of+Stowage+Patterns+on+the+glacis+of+27+Armd+Bde+Shermans+%28looong%29 I think this box must be stored on the rear of the tank in front, rather than attached to the glacis of Carole. Any thoughts?
2) With the deep wading gear fitted what happened to the fittings (smoke box and towbar)? Where these just left off and brought ashore separately? They cannot easily be identified on the photos shown in the first link above.
3) I had not spotted this before but the rear stowage includes a basic type of drawbar. Other examples are shown on the front of other Shermans seen in link 2 above. I think I will need to scratchbuild this, but are these available commercially?
Andrew
Some comments/questions on vehicle stowage.
1) On the left-hand side of the first picture here http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35172pix.html there is an ammunition box. Based on the lack of such boxes shown on photographs here http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/message/1167036218/A+Review+of+Stowage+Patterns+on+the+glacis+of+27+Armd+Bde+Shermans+%28looong%29 I think this box must be stored on the rear of the tank in front, rather than attached to the glacis of Carole. Any thoughts?
2) With the deep wading gear fitted what happened to the fittings (smoke box and towbar)? Where these just left off and brought ashore separately? They cannot easily be identified on the photos shown in the first link above.
3) I had not spotted this before but the rear stowage includes a basic type of drawbar. Other examples are shown on the front of other Shermans seen in link 2 above. I think I will need to scratchbuild this, but are these available commercially?
Andrew
pseudorealityx
Joined: January 31, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 01:20 AM UTC
Just ordered Tasca's M4A1 late production from Tasca. So I'll be signing up.
pasdj002
Joined: April 20, 2009
KitMaker: 113 posts
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 03:07 AM UTC
Hey Guys, i would like to contribute to this campaign.
I have a few Sherman projects:
DML 1/72
M4A1 (Normandy 1944)
M4A3E8(76)W HVSS (Germany 1945)
DML 1/35
M4A3(76)W VVSS (Bastogne 1944)
Cheers
Damian
I have a few Sherman projects:
DML 1/72
M4A1 (Normandy 1944)
M4A3E8(76)W HVSS (Germany 1945)
DML 1/35
M4A3(76)W VVSS (Bastogne 1944)
Cheers
Damian
MichaelSatin
Campaigns AdministratorJoined: January 19, 2008
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 05:06 AM UTC
Morning all!
I'm narrowing my choices down. At this moment I'm thinking a U.S. Army Sherman in NW France in summer of '44. Either:
DML M4, 37th Tank Battalion "Thunderbolt V"
Tasca M4A1(75) late 67th Armored Regiment
or possibly Tamiya M4 70th Tank Battalion Utah Beach
This would be sort of a "battle pair" to go with the Dragon Panther A I plan to build. What do you all think?
Mike
I'm narrowing my choices down. At this moment I'm thinking a U.S. Army Sherman in NW France in summer of '44. Either:
DML M4, 37th Tank Battalion "Thunderbolt V"
Tasca M4A1(75) late 67th Armored Regiment
or possibly Tamiya M4 70th Tank Battalion Utah Beach
This would be sort of a "battle pair" to go with the Dragon Panther A I plan to build. What do you all think?
Mike
exer
Joined: November 27, 2004
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 05:15 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I'm in. My first campaign, and I'm going with Tasca's Sherman VC firefly 'Carole' set sometime before D-Day when there is good reference material available.
Some comments/questions on vehicle stowage.
1) On the left-hand side of the first picture here http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35172pix.html there is an ammunition box. Based on the lack of such boxes shown on photographs here http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/message/1167036218/A+Review+of+Stowage+Patterns+on+the+glacis+of+27+Armd+Bde+Shermans+%28looong%29 I think this box must be stored on the rear of the tank in front, rather than attached to the glacis of Carole. Any thoughts?
2) With the deep wading gear fitted what happened to the fittings (smoke box and towbar)? Where these just left off and brought ashore separately? They cannot easily be identified on the photos shown in the first link above.
3) I had not spotted this before but the rear stowage includes a basic type of drawbar. Other examples are shown on the front of other Shermans seen in link 2 above. I think I will need to scratchbuild this, but are these available commercially?
Andrew
Have a look at resicast British Tank accessory sets. I think the tow bar is in this set that I reviewed. If not look at the other reviews of resicast you should find anything you need there.
AlanL
Joined: August 12, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 06:01 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hey Al,
This site may add some confusion regarding M4A3's in British service.
I puts forward that U.S. M4A3's were converted to Fireflys for use in Italy.
Very interesting...... !!
Cheers
jjumbo
Hi John,
Thank for the link, keep you eye out for an M4A3 in British servcie OK.
Al
Bigrip74
Joined: February 22, 2008
KitMaker: 5,026 posts
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 07:06 AM UTC
I am planning to do the US 1st Armored Division M4 pictured here from Squadron's "WALK AROUND M4 SHERMAN". I like the brown on OD camo and will use:
1. Italeri's M4A1 kit for the the bottom.
2. Formations hull for the top.
3. Formations late high bustle 75mm turret w / vision cupola.
Bob
1. Italeri's M4A1 kit for the the bottom.
2. Formations hull for the top.
3. Formations late high bustle 75mm turret w / vision cupola.
Bob
ppawlak1
Joined: March 14, 2006
KitMaker: 1,973 posts
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 10:03 PM UTC
Welcome Adrian, Jesse, Damian.
Michael looking forward to your build !
Cheers
Paul
Michael looking forward to your build !
Cheers
Paul
discordian
Joined: May 28, 2009
KitMaker: 239 posts
Armorama: 94 posts
Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 12:25 AM UTC
Well - I got my latest order from Sprue Brothers and it included Dragon's kit 6188 - Red Army M4A2.
so that's what I'll be building for my first Sherman.
Out of the box... slim chance of buying some aftermarket tacks but I'm entering an OOB kick after my current Black Window build is done.
so that's what I'll be building for my first Sherman.
Out of the box... slim chance of buying some aftermarket tacks but I'm entering an OOB kick after my current Black Window build is done.
barkingdigger
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Joined: June 20, 2008
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 01:36 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I'm in. My first campaign, and I'm going with Tasca's Sherman VC firefly 'Carole' set sometime before D-Day when there is good reference material available.
Some comments/questions on vehicle stowage.
1) On the left-hand side of the first picture here http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35172pix.html there is an ammunition box. Based on the lack of such boxes shown on photographs here http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/message/1167036218/A+Review+of+Stowage+Patterns+on+the+glacis+of+27+Armd+Bde+Shermans+%28looong%29 I think this box must be stored on the rear of the tank in front, rather than attached to the glacis of Carole. Any thoughts?
2) With the deep wading gear fitted what happened to the fittings (smoke box and towbar)? Where these just left off and brought ashore separately? They cannot easily be identified on the photos shown in the first link above.
3) I had not spotted this before but the rear stowage includes a basic type of drawbar. Other examples are shown on the front of other Shermans seen in link 2 above. I think I will need to scratchbuild this, but are these available commercially?
Andrew
Andrew,
The ammo box you mentioned is indeed welded to the rear of the tank in front. The big stowage box on the glacis (with the LCT markings) was temporarily relocated from the rear to make room for the wading trunk. I'd assume anything else that had to be removed for the wading gear would be lashed to the tank somewhere rather than transported separately - that way it wouldn't get lost.
Tom
Copperalis
Joined: October 20, 2007
KitMaker: 52 posts
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 06:15 AM UTC
Pat
Thanks for the link. I've got one of Resicast's other tank accessory kits but it had not occured to me to check out the rest of the range. The end connection looks a little different but this is what I need. A close inspection of the photograph of the other side of the tank does appear to show the connecting link on the drawbar.
Tom
That was what I thought. My only concern about the ammunition box was whether there was enough space to fix it between the wading trunk and the edge of the tank, but I have now found some photographs of other Shermans showing the base of the wading trunk and it is clear there is enough space to fit a box.
Thanks for the link. I've got one of Resicast's other tank accessory kits but it had not occured to me to check out the rest of the range. The end connection looks a little different but this is what I need. A close inspection of the photograph of the other side of the tank does appear to show the connecting link on the drawbar.
Tom
That was what I thought. My only concern about the ammunition box was whether there was enough space to fix it between the wading trunk and the edge of the tank, but I have now found some photographs of other Shermans showing the base of the wading trunk and it is clear there is enough space to fit a box.
ppawlak1
Joined: March 14, 2006
KitMaker: 1,973 posts
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 10:24 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Pat
Thanks for the link. I've got one of Resicast's other tank accessory kits but it had not occured to me to check out the rest of the range. The end connection looks a little different but this is what I need. A close inspection of the photograph of the other side of the tank does appear to show the connecting link on the drawbar.
Tom
That was what I thought. My only concern about the ammunition box was whether there was enough space to fix it between the wading trunk and the edge of the tank, but I have now found some photographs of other Shermans showing the base of the wading trunk and it is clear there is enough space to fit a box.
Hey Andrew !
I have that Tasca Vc lined up as a build for this campaign also.
It's a great kti and can be bought for a really good price at the moment !!
Cheers
Paul
RedwingNev
Joined: February 07, 2004
KitMaker: 911 posts
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 03:51 AM UTC
Hey Paul, I have a request. Finances won't stretch to buying a set of DS tracks at the minute, and the DS tracks I thought I could rob from my Sherman III are the wrong type 
This means I'm going to have to use the kit-supplied individual links.....3 parts each.....78 both sides.......
Do you think it would be OK if I started on the tracks now? I just want to do a handful every modelling session I have, so as to make the job much less onerous when I start for real. Even doing 3 a day will take me 6 months to do them all....
This means I'm going to have to use the kit-supplied individual links.....3 parts each.....78 both sides.......
Do you think it would be OK if I started on the tracks now? I just want to do a handful every modelling session I have, so as to make the job much less onerous when I start for real. Even doing 3 a day will take me 6 months to do them all....
ppawlak1
Joined: March 14, 2006
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 07:39 AM UTC
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Hey Paul, I have a request. Finances won't stretch to buying a set of DS tracks at the minute, and the DS tracks I thought I could rob from my Sherman III are the wrong type
This means I'm going to have to use the kit-supplied individual links.....3 parts each.....78 both sides.......
Do you think it would be OK if I started on the tracks now? I just want to do a handful every modelling session I have, so as to make the job much less onerous when I start for real. Even doing 3 a day will take me 6 months to do them all....
I don't think anyone here will have a problem if your have tracks assembled for you build when you start that on July the 1st Neil.
RedwingNev
Joined: February 07, 2004
KitMaker: 911 posts
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 08:21 PM UTC
Thanks Paul, appreciate it 
ppawlak1
Joined: March 14, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 08:06 AM UTC
60 starters and over two months to go
Everyone is welcome !!
Everyone is welcome !!
Bigrip74
Joined: February 22, 2008
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Posted: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 08:15 AM UTC
Paul, you are going to need a couple of assistants to help with the volume and keep you sane. I picked mine early for the campaigns that I have running and coming up. Good luck with this campaign, it will be a busy one with the subject. I cannot wait to tear into my kit and after market parts, all this and school also 
Bob
I picked mine early for the campaigns that I have running and coming up. Good luck with this campaign, it will be a busy one with the subject. I cannot wait to tear into my kit and after market parts, all this and school also Bob
AlanL
Joined: August 12, 2005
KitMaker: 14,499 posts
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Posted: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 08:15 AM UTC
[quote]
I don't think anyone here will have a problem if your have tracks assembled for you build when you start that on July the 1st Neil. [/quote
Glad to hear that I have 3 sets of indi's to make
Al
Quoted Text
Hey Paul, I have a request. Finances won't stretch to buying a set of DS tracks at the minute, and the DS tracks I thought I could rob from my Sherman III are the wrong type
This means I'm going to have to use the kit-supplied individual links.....3 parts each.....78 both sides.......
Do you think it would be OK if I started on the tracks now? I just want to do a handful every modelling session I have, so as to make the job much less onerous when I start for real. Even doing 3 a day will take me 6 months to do them all....
I don't think anyone here will have a problem if your have tracks assembled for you build when you start that on July the 1st Neil.
[/quoteGlad to hear that
I have 3 sets of indi's to make Al
ppawlak1
Joined: March 14, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 08:49 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Paul, you are going to need a couple of assistants to help with the volume and keep you sane.
Bob
Hey Bob !
I think we're all in this together
If we all pitch in and give advice and help each other this will be an awesome campaign.
I'd love to see:
Regular posts from each campaigner, with tips for others, constructuve criticism, and updates of personal progress.
Lots of pics will be great, and all sorts of questions are MOST welcome !
This will be soooo much fun
GO THE SHERMIES !!
Paul
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