Great, thanks.
Kit didn't come today. I bought from Squadron, anyone order something lately? What am I looking at for wait time. I received an email Friday saying it had shipped. Can I check where it is in transit with the tracker #, I'm not sure who it's shipped with.
And the "Barrel Store" in London, ON; I ordered some MIG pigments from them. The "Urban Combat" set I think, don't know when to expect that here either.
Also wanted to keep this thread up there so once its here I can start the build!
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Dragon 1/35 Hummel - Russian Captured
Thivi11
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 01:38 PM UTC
wanagun
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 04:19 PM UTC
TX has had some pretty bad ice/ snow storms and they are not prepared for anything below 40°F. Sister in law lives there and says the Texans think it is the end of thw world when they get 1/2" of snow. Squardon has been shut down for awhile and is just getting back up to speeed.
Jamesite
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 05:03 PM UTC
May I suggest you get hold of the 'out of service' AFV modeller issue:
http://shop.afvmodeller.com/customer/search.php?substring=out+of+service
Would be very relevant for you.
James
http://shop.afvmodeller.com/customer/search.php?substring=out+of+service
Would be very relevant for you.
James
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 08:16 PM UTC
Thanks a lot James!
I didn't know that Sven Frisch built it
cheers
I didn't know that Sven Frisch built it
cheers
Thivi11
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 12:31 AM UTC
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Squardon has been shut down for awhile and is just getting back up to speeed.
WHat does that mean for my order? I'm in Toronto, ON, I hope I'm not waiting week(s) because they're backed up now.
Thivi11
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 12:51 AM UTC
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May I suggest you get hold of the 'out of service' AFV modeller issue:
http://shop.afvmodeller.com/customer/search.php?substring=out+of+service
Would be very relevant for you.
James
And thank you, I bought it today, just waiting for the payment to be accepted.
Jamesite
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 09:26 PM UTC
No Problem!
Good luck with it,
James
Good luck with it,
James
guni-kid
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 10:27 PM UTC
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May I suggest you get hold of the 'out of service' AFV modeller issue:
http://shop.afvmodeller.com/customer/search.php?substring=out+of+service
Would be very relevant for you.
James
Here's what I can add to this one: found it in one of last years issues of "Art of Modelling" (Just turn to page 16/17. There may be a chance to order this one as well... but I'm not sure if it adds any news to the above mentioned article though...)
http://www.artofmodelling.be/sample_issue_german/
Cheers
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 10:52 PM UTC
Marian, thanks for the link
apparently Jeredt and I did the same interpretation of Sven:
Interior left in german yellow, exterior and gun painted in 4bo green.
Cheers
apparently Jeredt and I did the same interpretation of Sven:
Interior left in german yellow, exterior and gun painted in 4bo green.
Cheers
Thivi11
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Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 06:35 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Here's what I can add to this one: found it in one of last years issues of "Art of Modelling" (Just turn to page 16/17. There may be a chance to order this one as well... but I'm not sure if it adds any news to the above mentioned article though...)
http://www.artofmodelling.be/sample_issue_german/
Cheers
That says its a late model Hummel, but the hull is shaped differently ad the armament is also different, I'm confused... l
Thivi11
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Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 06:35 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Here's what I can add to this one: found it in one of last years issues of "Art of Modelling" (Just turn to page 16/17. There may be a chance to order this one as well... but I'm not sure if it adds any news to the above mentioned article though...)
http://www.artofmodelling.be/sample_issue_german/
Cheers
That says its a late model Hummel, but the hull is shaped differently ad the armament is also different, I'm confused...is that model not the initial version? l
Thivi11
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Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 01:51 PM UTC
I have one more question about the accessories etc. that will need to be Russian, in order to be accurate. Will I also need Russian ammunition for the main armament, or was this any different? As in colours I mean, german 15cm rounds vs. Russian.
Other than this I'm looking at helmets, stowage, guns, grenades, jerry cans, am I forgetting/adding something?
The purolator tag showed up today, picking it up tomorrow!
Other than this I'm looking at helmets, stowage, guns, grenades, jerry cans, am I forgetting/adding something?
The purolator tag showed up today, picking it up tomorrow!
guni-kid
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Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 08:55 PM UTC
In the "Art of Modelling" Article they say, that it was an "Early Hummel" Kit used... even though they name it a "Late Hummel" in the Headline... so I might be a bit confused as well... best is probably to closely compare the original picture with the kits provided!? 
Sorry that I can't help any more over here, but I wouldn't call myself a big Hummel specialist...
Sorry that I can't help any more over here, but I wouldn't call myself a big Hummel specialist...
T34
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Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 09:35 PM UTC
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I'd hate to turn this into a different thread so for the sake of reference:
This a Nashorn correct? And the difference between that and the Hummel are strictly the armament or...?
The Nashorn was armed with a 88mm anti-gun, the Hummel with a 105mm howitzer. As the guns say, the Nashorn was a tank killer and the hummel an artillery piece.
Thivi11
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Posted: Thursday, February 17, 2011 - 02:29 AM UTC
Well my MIG Pigments Urban Combat set came today. Concrete, rubbel dust, dry mud, old rust + thinner.
I also had forgot that I ordered a Vallejo Panzer Aces set, 8 colours, including: black grey, chocolate brown, green brown, khaki grey, reflective green, dark yellow, sand yellow, and oily steel.
Has anyone used any of these colours before/can you tell me how they look? ie. reflective green, how does the oily steel look?
I also had forgot that I ordered a Vallejo Panzer Aces set, 8 colours, including: black grey, chocolate brown, green brown, khaki grey, reflective green, dark yellow, sand yellow, and oily steel.
Has anyone used any of these colours before/can you tell me how they look? ie. reflective green, how does the oily steel look?
Thivi11
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Posted: Thursday, February 17, 2011 - 03:05 AM UTC
MIG Pigments arrived, along with Vallejo Panzer Aces acrylic set.
Can anyone suggest colours for this project?
I'm sorry to ask such an annoying question but I have NO paints besides a few W&N oils I bought for this project, along with a couple Tamiya paints.
Can anyone suggest colours for this project?
I'm sorry to ask such an annoying question but I have NO paints besides a few W&N oils I bought for this project, along with a couple Tamiya paints.
Minsk94
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Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 11:05 AM UTC
One more reference for you:
Full size: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_7jKLZG5IkoA/TWBMC9jS4WI/AAAAAAAAJkM/bq1ycQPoJkQ/Untitled-1.jpg
Source: Panzerwrecks #2
Full size: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_7jKLZG5IkoA/TWBMC9jS4WI/AAAAAAAAJkM/bq1ycQPoJkQ/Untitled-1.jpg
Source: Panzerwrecks #2
drumthumper
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Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 02:46 AM UTC
Alex,
Thanks for that Hummel image! That really gets the 'ol creative juices flowing! Been wanting to build a Hummel for quite some time ... now I know which one it will be!!!!!
Jaredt - I think you may be overthinking this Hummel project a litte bit. First, remember the salt technique is really most beneficial when you are modeling vehicles that have been out of service for an extended period, derelict or destroyed. It can really be a little too harsh of a technique to use on a tank that remains "in-service". So be careful. I you are wanting to simply chip the Soviet green to expose the German Yellow underneath, I would suggest using the hairspray technique. It is really an easy method and gives you total control over the extent of the exposure. You can be very subtle - brushing away worn edges and small chips - to the extreme where you are scrubbing away large, weather-beaten areas. It's your choice.
Secondly, in reference to painting. I would paint the Hummel as the Germans would have - dark yellow everywhere. Then, I would overpaint the logical areas he Russians would - upper hull and only the exposed gun tube. I would leave the part of the gun (which was 150mm btw) found in the fighting compartment yellow. There is no benefit from them painting the internal aspects of the fighting compartment. They only painted the exterior portions to keep their own guns from confusing them with Germans.
Also, they would have used German 150mm ammo ....
And as far as which pigments and weathering colors to use ... it's all dependant upon the type of terrain and weather conditions (dry, dusty or wet and muddy). I wouldn't sweat that part of the build yet ... you've got plenty of time to figure that stuff out.
I hope this helps you sort things out. It kinda looked to me as though you were getting a little overwhelmed ......
Mike Kirchoff
Thanks for that Hummel image! That really gets the 'ol creative juices flowing! Been wanting to build a Hummel for quite some time ... now I know which one it will be!!!!!
Jaredt - I think you may be overthinking this Hummel project a litte bit. First, remember the salt technique is really most beneficial when you are modeling vehicles that have been out of service for an extended period, derelict or destroyed. It can really be a little too harsh of a technique to use on a tank that remains "in-service". So be careful. I you are wanting to simply chip the Soviet green to expose the German Yellow underneath, I would suggest using the hairspray technique. It is really an easy method and gives you total control over the extent of the exposure. You can be very subtle - brushing away worn edges and small chips - to the extreme where you are scrubbing away large, weather-beaten areas. It's your choice.
Secondly, in reference to painting. I would paint the Hummel as the Germans would have - dark yellow everywhere. Then, I would overpaint the logical areas he Russians would - upper hull and only the exposed gun tube. I would leave the part of the gun (which was 150mm btw) found in the fighting compartment yellow. There is no benefit from them painting the internal aspects of the fighting compartment. They only painted the exterior portions to keep their own guns from confusing them with Germans.
Also, they would have used German 150mm ammo ....
And as far as which pigments and weathering colors to use ... it's all dependant upon the type of terrain and weather conditions (dry, dusty or wet and muddy). I wouldn't sweat that part of the build yet ... you've got plenty of time to figure that stuff out.
I hope this helps you sort things out. It kinda looked to me as though you were getting a little overwhelmed ......
Mike Kirchoff
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 03:03 AM UTC
Alex... 
as usual...A stunning pics. Thanks a lot
Well Mike, you're absolutely right, but in my humble opinion if Jaredt will put the salt JUST in the right zones (near the corners for exemples), it could be an easier and effectve way to reproduce the yellow chipping. Anyway, as I said before, it can obtain the same effect using the maskol
Cheers
as usual...A stunning pics. Thanks a lotQuoted Text
Jaredt - I think you may be overthinking this Hummel project a litte bit. First, remember the salt technique is really most beneficial when you are modeling vehicles that have been out of service for an extended period, derelict or destroyed. It can really be a little too harsh of a technique to use on a tank that remains "in-service". So be careful. I you are wanting to simply chip the Soviet green to expose the German Yellow underneath, I would suggest using the hairspray technique. It is really an easy method and gives you total control over the extent of the exposure. You can be very subtle - brushing away worn edges and small chips - to the extreme where you are scrubbing away large, weather-beaten areas. It's your choice.
Well Mike, you're absolutely right, but in my humble opinion if Jaredt will put the salt JUST in the right zones (near the corners for exemples), it could be an easier and effectve way to reproduce the yellow chipping. Anyway, as I said before, it can obtain the same effect using the maskol
Cheers
drumthumper
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Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 03:29 AM UTC
Mauro,
I wholeheartidly agree. As a caution, I have seen alot of first-attempts with the salt technique terribly overdone (mine included). But, if the modeler uses restraint, and tries to keep the effect "in-scale", it should work just fine.
Mike
I wholeheartidly agree. As a caution, I have seen alot of first-attempts with the salt technique terribly overdone (mine included). But, if the modeler uses restraint, and tries to keep the effect "in-scale", it should work just fine.
Mike
Thivi11
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Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 05:25 AM UTC
@Alex Z.: thanks for the picture, there was a link posted earlier to an early model Hummel from AFV modeler and thats the picture it was based on.
@Mike: I am extremely overwhelmed! I'm trying to get all this info together and saved somewhere whilst I wait for my model AND my airbrush to arrive. I bought DMLs T34 to build in the meantime, but the Hummel is a project that might get pushed back. I really like where everything is going but the kit is full of resin, PE, aluminum, everything, so I might be in over my head. I'll give the T34 a shot and see what everyone thinks!
@Mike: I am extremely overwhelmed! I'm trying to get all this info together and saved somewhere whilst I wait for my model AND my airbrush to arrive. I bought DMLs T34 to build in the meantime, but the Hummel is a project that might get pushed back. I really like where everything is going but the kit is full of resin, PE, aluminum, everything, so I might be in over my head. I'll give the T34 a shot and see what everyone thinks!
drumthumper
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Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 05:38 AM UTC
Jaredt, I think you have approached this the right way. If you feel the Hummel project is getting out of hand, by all means take a step back, regroup, and turn your attention to something else. The main thing is, continue building! If you are a 'not-so experienced modeler' it can be a very daunting task to try and do everything at once. The best advice, IMHO, is build the T34 (which are really easy and nice kits) and set specific goals - try to build it flawlessly straight-from-the-box, or find a really neat camouflage scheme (not so easy to do when deaing with Soviet armor) or use your pigments and oils to weather it how you envision. Whatever you choose, make it an acheivable goal. Then, once that model is completed, challenge yourself with different goals on your next build.
Good luck on your future projects,
Mike Kirchoff
Good luck on your future projects,
Mike Kirchoff
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 08:15 PM UTC
Quoted Text
@Mike: I am extremely overwhelmed! I'm trying to get all this info together and saved somewhere whilst I wait for my model AND my airbrush to arrive. I bought DMLs T34 to build in the meantime, but the Hummel is a project that might get pushed back. I really like where everything is going but the kit is full of resin, PE, aluminum, everything, so I might be in over my head. I'll give the T34 a shot and see what everyone thinks!
In my very humble opinion that's the right way!
And while you're building the t 34...collect ALL THE REFERENCES you can find about the Hummel.
I've started to modelling when internet didn't exist. Collecting references was difficult and expensive It was necessary buying a lot of books...and you couldn't often find the rights info
Nowadays everything's changed. You can collect a lot of info and pics (even more than enough...) and you can easily learn all the modelling techniques you need to do a very good work
Have a good look Jaredt!
Thivi11
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Posted: Monday, February 21, 2011 - 06:28 AM UTC
Thanks so much for the kind words, both of you!
I actually have a Trumpeter LAVIII kit that looks pretty daunting too, I don't know why but it seems like the only kits own are pretty in depth builds.
T34 it is!
I actually have a Trumpeter LAVIII kit that looks pretty daunting too, I don't know why but it seems like the only kits own are pretty in depth builds.
T34 it is!
Thivi11
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Posted: Monday, February 21, 2011 - 07:04 AM UTC
By the way, what gauge wire do people generally use for grab handels, I guess I could just look at it against the plastic ones and see if ti looks right but I thought I'd ask.
I found a braid of copper wire, and thought I'd undwind it and use the single pieces to make grab handels, and whatever else I can find.
And I know I'm getting into tiny details but, could I also strip a chord - from anything - and use the single wires to replicate fuel/washer fluid/elctrical lines, both for armor and auto engines?
I found a braid of copper wire, and thought I'd undwind it and use the single pieces to make grab handels, and whatever else I can find.
And I know I'm getting into tiny details but, could I also strip a chord - from anything - and use the single wires to replicate fuel/washer fluid/elctrical lines, both for armor and auto engines?
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