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Academy M1A2 SEP TUSK?
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 06:06 AM UTC
This one looks really nice. Looks accurate too. I like how it has the option for an M1A2 SEP V2 as well. Both styles of wheel center caps, mud release holes in the sprockets, etc., etc., etc...

Might have to get it, even though I already have the Def Models Sep V2 conversion set.

The only "flaw" I see is the use of T158 tracks w/solid guide horns. The M1A2 most commonly uses T158LL tracks w/open guide horns. Easily replaced w/a set of Bronco T158LL indi-link tracks.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 09:54 PM UTC
It seems some people in Korea already received the sample kit and started building it, and this blog in particular claims on its latest post that the gap between 2nd and 3rd wheels on the right side is too narrow. What do you guys think?


http://blog.naver.com/afvmodeler
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Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 10:25 PM UTC






Can'say if there is a problem as the last wheels is in raised position
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Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 10:38 PM UTC
Huh, this look good and pricing was probably better by Meng, Dragon on Ryefields (And Academy is availiable in any modelshop.... ) Nice decals, clear plastic whell hubs, two TUSK configuration... Why not ?
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Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 11:07 PM UTC

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It seems some people in Korea already received the sample kit and started building it, and this blog in particular claims on its latest post that the gap between 2nd and 3rd wheels on the right side is too narrow. What do you guys think?


http://blog.naver.com/afvmodeler



Maybe a little - it's hard to tell. Looking at my Dragon model, that seems to have similar spacing.

Cue a discussion around Abrams wheel spacing...
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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 01:03 AM UTC
Yep, they made a mistake. The distance between the second and third torsion bar plates is too small... It's going to take some serious surgery to correct it.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 02:28 AM UTC

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Yep, they made a mistake. The distance between the second and third torsion bar plates is too small... It's going to take some serious surgery to correct it.



I think there can be a short cut or simpler surgery way of correcting it by shortening the leg (or arm- depending on who you talk to) and adjusting the angle, no?
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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 03:45 AM UTC
So looks like Meng M1 Tusk is the winner
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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 04:34 AM UTC

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So looks like Meng M1 Tusk is the winner




Since it has its own flaws, that's just a matter of what mistakes you consider more important...

For me if the problem with the spacing of the torsion bars required the view of an expert as Pawel to be confirmed, it will not be a deal breaker. I'll get Academy's kit anyway, and live with that mistake -I surely will not be able to notice it once the kit is built-
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 12:44 PM UTC
Blue tag r the one which is matching while green tag r the one which is not matching. If the button part is right then the red zone should move further right to fix the gap between 2nd and 3rd road wheel. (perhaps 3mm to 5mm)



If they dont fix the mold i believe its not very hard to fix this problem on our own. There is no need to shorten the torsion bar.
Vodnik
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 03:10 PM UTC

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If they dont fix the mold i believe its not very hard to fix this problem on our own. There is no need to shorten the torsion bar.


Yes, indeed. The multipart bottom hull in this case makes it easier to fix. Hopefully the rest of the kit is good enough to justify this extra work...
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 11:03 PM UTC

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Blue tag r the one which is matching while green tag r the one which is not matching. If the button part is right then the red zone should move further right to fix the gap between 2nd and 3rd road wheel. (perhaps 3mm to 5mm)

If they dont fix the mold i believe its not very hard to fix this problem on our own. There is no need to shorten the torsion bar.



Probably I'm being dumb (it's been a long week...) but I don't see how that fix changes the spacing between the 2nd and 3rd wheels.

TBH I'd want to see some accurate measurements of the real thing before deciding if there's a problem - and whether its significant enough to worry about. The guy on the blog compared the Academy kit to the Meng one, but is the Meng kit accurate? A quick survey of the Abrams kits in my collection shows the wheel spacing is slightly different on all of them. Which is right?
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 12:43 AM UTC

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Probably I'm being dumb (it's been a long week...) but I don't see how that fix changes the spacing between the 2nd and 3rd wheels.


Yes, the drawing is incorrect. The red rectangle should end between 2nd and 3rd wheels, not between 1st and 2nd.

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TBH I'd want to see some accurate measurements of the real thing before deciding if there's a problem - and whether its significant enough to worry about. The guy on the blog compared the Academy kit to the Meng one, but is the Meng kit accurate? A quick survey of the Abrams kits in my collection shows the wheel spacing is slightly different on all of them. Which is right?


Dragon (AIM and SEP). It was based on a technical drawing illustration with suspension geomery measurements from official source. Although it was XM1 drawing, the suspension geometry has not changed.

The problem with Academy is that the distance between 2nd and 3rd right side road wheels is shorter than between all next wheels. And it should be identical. If they just made all distances slightly too long or too short, but equal, it wouldn't matter that much.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 01:56 AM UTC
Hey Pawel

So what are the Meng's m1 tusk mistakes? I am still deciding which kit I should buy.......And I just bought the Dragon m1 Sep couple weeks back. Thanks Jay
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 02:01 AM UTC

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Hey Pawel

So what are the Meng's m1 tusk mistakes?


The only obvious inaccuracy I noticed so far is too long rear section of the belly armor piece. Some parts are simplified a bit more than I would like, but those are design choices, not mistakes. Maybe there are some more errors in the kit, but I have not built it yet and just looking at sprues I don't see more.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 06:07 AM UTC
When I read the Academy kit's manual, I found it interesting the spacing between wheels were designed non-identical.


It is also interesting to notice that the Dragon's M1A2 SEP V2's sample photo seems to show similar characteristics.

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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 07:07 AM UTC

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The only obvious inaccuracy I noticed so far is too long rear section of the belly armor piece. Some parts are simplified a bit more than I would like, but those are design choices, not mistakes. Maybe there are some more errors in the kit, but I have not built it yet and just looking at sprues I don't see more.



Well, there may be more errors in Meng's. Apparently, according to that same Korean reviewer who pointed out the wheel distance in Academy kit, he pointed out that the rear grill detail is wrong in the Meng kit. http://blog.naver.com/afvmodeler/220673819130

Meng's (the vertical lines should stand out more):


Correct DML's:


Obviously, he was "rivet counting" and if you really care about such detail.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 07:48 AM UTC

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Blue tag r the one which is matching while green tag r the one which is not matching. If the button part is right then the red zone should move further right to fix the gap between 2nd and 3rd road wheel. (perhaps 3mm to 5mm)

If they dont fix the mold i believe its not very hard to fix this problem on our own. There is no need to shorten the torsion bar.



Probably I'm being dumb (it's been a long week...) but I don't see how that fix changes the spacing between the 2nd and 3rd wheels.

TBH I'd want to see some accurate measurements of the real thing before deciding if there's a problem - and whether its significant enough to worry about. The guy on the blog compared the Academy kit to the Meng one, but is the Meng kit accurate? A quick survey of the Abrams kits in my collection shows the wheel spacing is slightly different on all of them. Which is right?



sorry for the bad English, here is the image.



Cut off the red area so the gap between 6th and 7th road wheel shorter. Move the central part further right and add a piece of plastic in the white area to increase the gap between the 1st and 2nd position holes which make the gap between two road wheel wider.

There r people mention above that the gap between 1st and 2nd road wheel on the right r shorter than the others, but this kit seems too short after all.

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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 11:32 AM UTC

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It is also interesting to notice that the Dragon's M1A2 SEP V2's sample photo seems to show similar characteristics.


It is not a good idea to compare to the built Dragon kit - the fit of the suspension arms is not very tight, so it is easy to mis-align them what results in wrong wheel spacing.

But I admit that my memory failed me and the above statements about equal distances are wrong... I checked my references again and actually the distance between the second and third road wheels on the right side of the tank is indeed slightly smaller than between 3rd and 4th and other wheels. It is correct in Dragon kit. It is the result of the different shape of the larger torsion bar plate used for the first, second and seventh road wheels - on those plates the distance between the suspension arm pivot point and the torsion bar anchor point is different from that on the smaller plates used for other wheels. This means that while distances between 2nd/3rd and 3rd/4th wheels on the left side of the tank are equal, on the right side of the tank they are not.

Academy just overdid it a bit - the distance between 2nd and 3rd road wheels in their kit is too small, to the point that wheels touch (or almost touch) when 2nd road wheel is lifted.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 11:33 AM UTC

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There r people mention above that the gap between 1st and 2nd road wheel on the right r shorter than the others, but this kit seems too short after all.


The problem is between 2nd and 3rd road wheel, not between 1st and 2nd.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 01:04 PM UTC

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It is also interesting to notice that the Dragon's M1A2 SEP V2's sample photo seems to show similar characteristics.


It is not a good idea to compare to the built Dragon kit - the fit of the suspension arms is not very tight, so it is easy to mis-align them what results in wrong wheel spacing.

But I admit that my memory failed me and the above statements about equal distances are wrong... I checked my references again and actually the distance between the second and third road wheels on the right side of the tank is indeed slightly smaller than between 3rd and 4th and other wheels. It is correct in Dragon kit. It is the result of the different shape of the larger torsion bar plate used for the first, second and seventh road wheels - on those plates the distance between the suspension arm pivot point and the torsion bar anchor point is different from that on the smaller plates used for other wheels. This means that while distances between 2nd/3rd and 3rd/4th wheels on the left side of the tank are equal, on the right side of the tank they are not.

Academy just overdid it a bit - the distance between 2nd and 3rd road wheels in their kit is too small, to the point that wheels touch (or almost touch) when 2nd road wheel is lifted.



Ah, thanks Pawel. I can probably live with that without cracking out my razor saw.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 05:34 PM UTC

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There r people mention above that the gap between 1st and 2nd road wheel on the right r shorter than the others, but this kit seems too short after all.


The problem is between 2nd and 3rd road wheel, not between 1st and 2nd.



My mistake, but the measurement is right from the start, somehow i mixed up these wheels. here is the fixed version



red zone should move further right to fix the problem? since the gap between 3rd to 6th r right but 2nd to 3rd r wrong. Assume the gap between 6th to 7th r also wrong?
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 09:53 AM UTC
My main reason for not liking the vinyl or DL tracks is the nasty mold seam down the middle of the end connectors . I replaced the DL tracks in the DML M1A2 SEP V2 for that reason . Side skirts wont hide that or the solid guide horns on the bottom run of the track .

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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 10:31 AM UTC
Got mine today. Minus the 2nd/3rd wheel issues that have been noted, this looks to be a great kit. I was pleasantly surprised, parts look crisp, very nice detail, nice subtle anti slip. I was disappointed with Academy's M1151 and thought maybe I would see a similar type of kit, but no this is a very nice kit
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 02:53 PM UTC

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Got mine today. Minus the 2nd/3rd wheel issues that have been noted, this looks to be a great kit. I was pleasantly surprised, parts look crisp, very nice detail, nice subtle anti slip. I was disappointed with Academy's M1151 and thought maybe I would see a similar type of kit, but no this is a very nice kit



I agree. I got mine in South Korea last week. One of the best offerings from Academy to this date. I got one selling at the buy and sell forum if anyone is interested.