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Trumpeter 203mm Gun: First Images
jimbrae
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 01:44 PM UTC
In a nice little late-night report, the News desk brings you images of Trumpeter's Soviet Tracked 203mm Artillery Piece in 1/35th scale. Not exactly the Late Show with Conan O' Brian but there again he's better paid.. Meanwhile, the first images of this spectacular release can be seen:
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cach7
Joined: October 13, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 02:25 PM UTC
Thats cool!!! 
Wheres Dragons box art.............. 
Wheres Dragons box art.............. 
whittman181
Joined: December 30, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 02:39 PM UTC
What would you tow that monster with???? an IS2??? 
Definetly pick one up , have to do some overtime 
Definetly pick one up , have to do some overtime corsutton
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 02:54 PM UTC
Ok, I gotta be stupid but I'm curious. Whats the point of the tracks on a piece of towed equipment? If its being pulled by something wouldn't wheels make it pull easier? I would think the weight of tracks alone would put a burden on what ever is dragging it along. 
spongya
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 02:59 PM UTC
Ever since I saw the documentaries about the battle of Berlin, I wanted to build this gun. Cudos to Trumpeter.
cach7
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 03:15 PM UTC
Andras, Is that when the Russians where firing this gun point bank into buildings???
CMOT
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 06:26 PM UTC
Looks great, especially the rifling in the barrel, something looks odd about the top of the tracks but I can’t put my finger on what it is. I will leave that answer to the experts. All in all it’s a great model that I am sure will be popular.
Hisham
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 07:18 PM UTC
A very interesting subject
As far as I'm concerned, Trumpeter is the best company these days for imagination, diversity of subjects, courage... and keeping prices reasonable.
As far as I'm concerned, Trumpeter is the best company these days for imagination, diversity of subjects, courage... and keeping prices reasonable.
Shermaniac
Joined: August 06, 2003
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 08:31 PM UTC
OUTSTANDING! 
This is a must for any WWII modeller, Nice one Trumpeter
This is a must for any WWII modeller, Nice one Trumpeter
Martinnnn
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 08:32 PM UTC
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Ok, I gotta be stupid but I'm curious. Whats the point of the tracks on a piece of towed equipment? If its being pulled by something wouldn't wheels make it pull easier? I would think the weight of tracks alone would put a burden on what ever is dragging it along.
I'm not sure but I guess the gun had it's own little engine and could drive short distances, to relocate, get a better firing position etc. Would come in handy because of it's weight where it would be hard to move the gun with a prime mover all the time...especially when used as an assault weapon during urban battles like in Berlin. But again, that's my guess, not sure about it.
There was a wheelded version too btw.
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Andras, Is that when the Russians where firing this gun point bank into buildings???
That's this gun yes
Great news, will do good in i.e. a Berlin diorama
airborne1
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 11:58 PM UTC
Simply wicked
This is great news .
Kelley
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 12:54 AM UTC
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Ok, I gotta be stupid but I'm curious. Whats the point of the tracks on a piece of towed equipment? If its being pulled by something wouldn't wheels make it pull easier? I would think the weight of tracks alone would put a burden on what ever is dragging it along.
The tracks were to reduce the ground pressure, in other words they prevented this big heavy monster from sinking too far into the ground. As far as I know they were not motorized (though someone did mention in the other thread that this was done in small numbers post war).
I've never had much interest in big guns, but this one is very tempting!
Mike
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:02 AM UTC
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Quoted TextOk, I gotta be stupid but I'm curious. Whats the point of the tracks on a piece of towed equipment? If its being pulled by something wouldn't wheels make it pull easier? I would think the weight of tracks alone would put a burden on what ever is dragging it along.
The tracks were to reduce the ground pressure, in other words they prevented this big heavy monster from sinking too far into the ground. As far as I know they were not motorized (though someone did mention in the other thread that this was done in small numbers post war).
I've never had much interest in big guns, but this one is very tempting!
Mike
That is correct, this gun was NOT self propelled. It was towed. I have waited years for this kit to come along!!!!
I am busting at the seams!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now hopefully we dont get raped on the price. 
JimMrr
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:02 AM UTC
this kit has been number one on my list for a LONG time and now ......its like heaven!!!!...I MUST have this kit (or 2) as soon as its available!!!!!!no QUESTION!!!!! gonna have a coffe and celebrate here guys
JimMrr
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:05 AM UTC
very true Dave ,,,they need to have a reasonable pricetag on this thing otherwise......
spongya
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:56 AM UTC
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Andras, Is that when the Russians where firing this gun point bank into buildings???
Yes, that's the one.
Haikal, I don't know about the prices... Trumpeter starts to reach the $60 dollar range with their new kits (even the E-10 was overpriced I think), so this might not be the case any more. Long gone are the days of excellent KVs for low prices. Let's hope for the best, though. (I'm dreading the day their 1/16KT comes out.)
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 02:10 AM UTC
Well, I meant reasonable prices compared to other manufacturers. I buy all my kits from the Hong Kong stores and Trump kits are always about $15 less than Dragon for example.
Also, the Maz transporter sells for around $120 (without shipping) at a store like Greatmodels in the States... whereas I got it for $96 (INCLUDING shipping) from Luckymodel. So, you really can't go by the prices in the States.
I think you guys are being ripped off by the US distributors more than anything else.
Also, the Maz transporter sells for around $120 (without shipping) at a store like Greatmodels in the States... whereas I got it for $96 (INCLUDING shipping) from Luckymodel. So, you really can't go by the prices in the States.
I think you guys are being ripped off by the US distributors more than anything else.
Drader
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 02:11 AM UTC
See the other thread for the Berlin footage
From the Track Link thread it seems that we might have to wait a while for our B4s.
David
From the Track Link thread it seems that we might have to wait a while for our B4s.
David
Whiskey6
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 02:33 AM UTC
"The tracks were to reduce the ground pressure, in other words they prevented this big heavy monster from sinking too far into the ground. As far as I know they were not motorized (though someone did mention in the other thread that this was done in small numbers post war)."
Generally, these large pieces of artillery were towed by lend-lease catepiller tractors or their Russian knock-offs. The Soviets actually made very extensive use of tracked artillery tractors, most if not all derived from the early Holt and Catepiller tractors. Movement was not high-speed, just a tad faster than infantry on foot.
To find info on the prime movers, google "Soviet Artillery Tractors".
The U. S. Marines had a similar piece created during WW I. They mounted a 7 inch naval rifle (pulled off old pre-dreadnaught battleships) on a tracked carriage. I think the work was done by the Naval Ordnance Factory in DC. The cannon was towed by a 120 HP Holt tractor, which was a monster in its own right. The piece never saw combat. One specimen still exists in one of the museums near Washington, D.C., perhaps the new Marine Corps museum in Quantico.
Semper Fi,
Dave
Generally, these large pieces of artillery were towed by lend-lease catepiller tractors or their Russian knock-offs. The Soviets actually made very extensive use of tracked artillery tractors, most if not all derived from the early Holt and Catepiller tractors. Movement was not high-speed, just a tad faster than infantry on foot.
To find info on the prime movers, google "Soviet Artillery Tractors".
The U. S. Marines had a similar piece created during WW I. They mounted a 7 inch naval rifle (pulled off old pre-dreadnaught battleships) on a tracked carriage. I think the work was done by the Naval Ordnance Factory in DC. The cannon was towed by a 120 HP Holt tractor, which was a monster in its own right. The piece never saw combat. One specimen still exists in one of the museums near Washington, D.C., perhaps the new Marine Corps museum in Quantico.
Semper Fi,
Dave
spongya
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 02:35 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Well, I meant reasonable prices compared to other manufacturers. I buy all my kits from the Hong Kong stores and Trump kits are always about $15 less than Dragon for example.
Also, the Maz transporter sells for around $120 (without shipping) at a store like Greatmodels in the States... whereas I got it for $96 (INCLUDING shipping) from Luckymodel. So, you really can't go by the prices in the States.
I think you guys are being ripped off by the US distributors more than anything else.
It's OFF, so I apologize
You probably are right, but from my point I blame whomever I please
I really don't know who's responsible, but here the LHS became cheaper than any other alternative (meaning that Ebay and forum deals have gotten more expensive than the kits sold at the LHS are cheaper even without the shipping charges), and there the new Trump kits are 15-20 bucks more expensive than the DML kits (and in all fairness DML is usually better; at least I think it is). Luckymodel is cheap, but if I order the Grille 17 from them, with shipping I only save about 8 bucks compared to the LHS... So it sucks, really. (As things are going, maybe China will outsource the production here, bringing down the prices.
)Back to the gun: as soon as it comes out I'll march right into the store to buy it. I wonder if they will go into that direction: there are really nice/weird-looking Russian stuff out there, which are not available in plastic (or in anything).
Removed by original poster on 07/17/08 - 16:22:47 (GMT).
PantherF
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 03:52 AM UTC
Yep, these things are HUGE!!
Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 04:35 AM UTC
Prices are reflective of the massively sucking US Dollar...really. And there is a bit of greed on he part of the distributors, but honestly, right now thier profit margins have shrunk DRAMATICALLY due to shipping costs. The test will be what happens when costs go down (when the dollar improves) and, if possible, shipping costs go down. If there is not a corresponding drop in prices based on that, then the importers are definately to blame.
But for now, it is the very low US dollar.
On a side note, when doing research it is also sometimes noted as a B-4 203mm artillery piece and a D-4... I have no idea why.
As for wether they are powered or not, there is second hand evidence that the Soviets built, in small numbers, a refit kit that allowed this tracked piece to move on its own SLOWLY, for reposition...like in street fighting. I have no proof right now and info on this monster is THIN at best. However, it was proposed to be put on a KV chassis as the C-51.
More info, and a drawing of the C-51, can be found in the Soviet/Russian thread under this link (Don't forget there is a proper forum for cool red stuff...)
But for now, it is the very low US dollar.
On a side note, when doing research it is also sometimes noted as a B-4 203mm artillery piece and a D-4... I have no idea why.
As for wether they are powered or not, there is second hand evidence that the Soviets built, in small numbers, a refit kit that allowed this tracked piece to move on its own SLOWLY, for reposition...like in street fighting. I have no proof right now and info on this monster is THIN at best. However, it was proposed to be put on a KV chassis as the C-51.
More info, and a drawing of the C-51, can be found in the Soviet/Russian thread under this link (Don't forget there is a proper forum for cool red stuff...)
Leopold
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 05:48 AM UTC
dun thinks theres anykit out there that tow this baby huh?
Probably the YA-12 from Miniart soon?
Probably the YA-12 from Miniart soon?
steve-o
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Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 07:04 AM UTC
Awesome! The effectiveness and sheer volume of Russian Artillery late in the war comes up in a lot of the books I read about the Eastern front. This piece will speak to that all on its own!
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