Ok Thanks Gino! If you search Iraqi T 72 you will find the picture!
I am using it as a civillian car with out the rifle so I dont really mind it being inaccurate!

Martyn

I thought you said you were using a military vehicle changed into a civillian one. So again, it doesn't fit. Because they didn't use that vehicle, so it couldn't be a military one.

And about your diorama. I'm curious how it's gonna look.

Lars

You got a point Im going to scrap this vehicle! I want a check point being manned by US soldiers and have the T72 on the side of the road!

Martyn

If you want a civilian vehicle, get the Monogram 1/32 Chevy Malibu police car or fire chief car. There were/are lots of Chevy Malibu and Caprices here. Or a 1/32 Revell Toyota or Nissan truck, lots of them too. There was also an old 1/32 MPC '80s Chevy stepside pickup, I've seen many of them here too. During the '80s, when we were friendly with Iraq, Chevy had a deal to supply them cars. Top make it interesting, paint the four fenders orange so it is an Iraqi taxi. You can see all sorts of pics of them around. All the above are long OOP, so eBay is your best bet for them. There are some decent 1/32 die-cast cars that out there that could work too.

For an ex-military vehicle, Military Wheels from Eastern Europe has a 1/35 Russian UAZ 469 staff car. Its pretty crude, but can come out nice with some work. The Iraqi's also had some land rovers too.

THanks mate! The idea was have an ex military vehicle, ater the fall of saddam some iraqis took the vehicle over and gave it a bodged paint job and then used it to carry wooden panels!

I will look at die cast cars, I can always strip it and repaint it!

Martyn

Here is the plan finaly! I need to get a Iraqi car and some barricades to block the road, any questions about the plan just ask!

MArtyn

nice idea!

MIG brings out modern road blocks. But I would change your diorama. Try to cut the half of the diorama on the left side of it. That's only empty space and would tear your diorama down. You can make such a large diorama, but then everything must be filled. It saves space on your room, it saves money for materials and it saves time. Don't make you diorama larger the neccessary. This also distracts the viewer.

Lars

intereasting mart =]

lars: even if u chop it in half theres still dead space lol on the bottom right corner

mart: move the figure on his tood to the bottom right hand corner so he fills "the dead space, also where are the cars gona come through the check point?

great idea though

I would agree with Lars here.
You also should turn the diorama diagonally, which makes it more interesting aswell.

Btw, maybe add some Humvee also? The soldiers alone wouldnt make a very strong roadblock. You could up-armour the tamiya M1025, as Lionroar makes a set for it.

Lets see some more progress!

Marek

I am building a fridge out of plastic card. For the dead space so thank you Lars and Jimmy!

For the MIG barracades Im either going with the concrete or plastic ones!
Martyn

marek the hummwv m1025 wasnt used then

lol

a fridge ay you should put a brige in and call it a fridge too far xD

I'm still not following on which period this is going to be in so, I just added some food for thought.
It wouldnt really matter, since Humvees were used throughout the whole war(I am not sure, I will leave that up to Gino, or some other guys that know better)
Point is, that whatever period this is in, the soldiers would surely want a humvee or bradley behind them to intimidate and hold their own against car bombers etc.

true

i would want some fir epower behind me if i was in their situation


i would have a vehicle martyn maker sure its armored

The M1025 wasn't used the entire war. All Humvee's were uparmored during the war. It must be a 2003+ Iraq diorama. In the first Gulf war there were no US roadblocks in Iraq.

Leave away dead space and like Marek says: turn your dio a bit.

I do think a Humvee isn't such a good choice for a roadblock. A Abrams was used many times for this. I also thought M113's were used many times.

Lars

I did say it is OIF. Humvees were used from the 80's And no im not using it because I cannot afford the Hummer and the eteched, I will source another vehicle!

Martyn

the m113A3 was used ,

and yes road blocks were used in the first gulf war
they needed them for vehicle and spot checks

That depends on what year and month you are making it from? Up until late '03 or early '04, unarmored M1025s were used in Iraq. At that time, IEDs started becoming a problem and home-made armor out of sheet steel started to be added to help protect against them. By mid-'04, factory-made armor kits were being added and M1114 UpArmored HMMWVs started becoming more common. Since then, the armor has become more and more and now we are replacing most armored HMMWVs w/MRAPS.

I also agree that it is too big w/way too much dead space. It should be angled so its not all square w/the edges of the base as well.

Also, a road block is set up differently. It will have the barriers staggered, so the vehicle has to weave through it. There would also usually be wire and/or cones out in front of it to channel the traffic into it. Usually, there are signs in arabic to tell drivers to stop, get out, whatever.

I am doing it about 05 and I am going to change the layout of the diorama, the sketch was just a basic one and im going to add more things, for the checkpoint i was going to arrange the baracades to a bottle Kneck so the drivers have to slow down and get out!

Gino thanks for the pointers! Do you know what signs were used for this?

MArtyn

For an '05 HMMWV, you could use either an uparmored M1114 using the MIG set, or one with ASK using the Academy HMMWV Guntruck kit and armored doors (maybe from the Tamiya M1046 kit or make them yourself). The doors in the guntruck kit are of the older do-it yourself armor.

Here is a typical checkpoint layout.


Sorry, I don't have any pics of the signs. They are in all arabic though. You could probably use one of the Stop, Stay Back 100m signs by Echelon and get away with it.

Thanks Gino I have altered the design!


Here is the new design after listening to what you guys have said, thank you!
The space on the left will be a makeshift workshop for the Americans with a Wrecekd Hummer in their and the road block set up to search cars for IED's and weapons in responce to the hummer getting toasted

you shouldnt have the a toasted hummwv especially if youve got the tiran on there thats toasted you should just have them by the block.

great idea though

I agree on the burned HMMWV. The vehicle would be evaced to a base camp and worked on there. You would not try to secure it in place and work on it at the scene. Also, large, heavy barriers would not be brought in at the scene of an IED attack. This would be a more permanant position. Also, the vehicle should not block the opening. It would be off to the side to lay down fire if needed. You could have wire stung across the opening that is pulled away to allow a vehicle to pass.

Ok i was going to use the plastic barriers for a non permanent road block.

Martyn

I hope your vehicles are way bigger then on your map. or else you would again have way too much empty space.

Lars

lars its a drawing its not gona be accurate lol

but the dead space shouldnt be there by the looks of the drawing