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Heedless_onE
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Posted: Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:19 AM UTC
Hey guys,

Just got into this modelling thing. This is my first model (technically, my second, but the first was a mess so i use it as a test kit now) It's a JagdTiger Porsche in stabdard Dark Yellow.






I used the hairspray method to simulate chipped paint off the red primer, but ive seen other artists get much more appealling products with bare steel.

So basically, my question is what else does it need. I'm looking to add dirt and gunk to the wheels and treads, possibly with powdered chalk pastel if anyone has a good technique for that or even a better way they use.

I'd also like some opinions on how to do nice runs, like for rust. Mine didn't turn out as nice as i'd like.

Also, if anyone knows how to do a proper wash, i'd love some info. All the guides ive read on it are extremely brief, and just say use thinner to thin the paint to the consistancy of water, wash it over the model, and clean off the excess. But, i find the thinner just eats through everything ruining the paint job, even futured with Testors dull coat probably because the dull coat being lacquer based aswell.
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Posted: Friday, March 20, 2009 - 11:27 AM UTC
Hi Caolan, first let me say welcome to the big A,. You've got a good start and you are on your way. Check in the features section and you can find all kinds of step by steps from several of our gurus in modelling. There are so many methods out there to achieving the results you are looking for . The key is not to be afraid to experiment. No one process is the end all, be all. The best results for washes come from dissimilar paints. If you've base coated with enamals, use acrylics for your wash and vice versa. The other key is to not use thinner persay, If you are using oils for your base wash materials, use a mild turpenoid. There are tons of great products from well known companies out there. Just remember, the cheapest product can give nice results, as well as, the most expensive if you're willing to experiment. I could go on and on with tips and tricks, but most of these were gleaned from reading others posts and articles from here and Missing-Lynx and various modelling publications. Don't be afraid to experiment, you can use cheap kits or broken kits to try techniques on. I've got a big box of old junkers that have tons of paint and washes and filters and you name it on them. they are my experiment box. I use these to try out new things, but most of all, have fun. Don't get hung up on what others expect, build to make you happy.
Best regards, Ed
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Posted: Friday, March 20, 2009 - 11:53 AM UTC
Thanks man. Didn't know this place actually had tutorials too. Ill check that out!
Griffon65
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Posted: Friday, March 20, 2009 - 05:19 PM UTC

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... but most of all, have fun. Don't get hung up on what others expect, build to make you happy.



I don't think anyone could've said it better Ed.

About the Jagdtiger, its a very good start from what I can see, but I have 2 things I want to say.

Firstly, rust looks kinda strange. Is it really that pinky sort of colour, or is that just the camera? You seem to have the look of the rust bang on, but it looka a little too pink for my taste. But If you're happy with it, then don't worry

And secondly, I would have done a dark ink wash (or somethig similar) first to highlight the recesses (pannel lines, weld seams and where the side skirts join to the hull).

Also, it could be just me, but the front-most road wheels on both sides look like they're floating in the air.

As I said before, great start and good luck with the rest of the build!
Heedless_onE
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Posted: Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 05:58 AM UTC
Hey, thanks man. To answer your questions:

- It isn't rust. If you're talking about the chipped pain from where i used the hairspray method, I was going for primer under chipped paint, but like i say, other artists have gotten way better results sticking with steel or using a black/red combo. If you mean under the accoutrement, no, they didn't turn out nicely. have to find a new way to do that

- Nope, the wheels are hovering lol

- I do plan on doing a wash, when i learn properly how. Gotta read up some more.
Eaglewatch
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Posted: Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 08:53 AM UTC
Hi Caolan you're doing a bang up job on that JagdTiger i started building the old Dragon Imperial series one a few months back but hit a rut when it came to adding the tiny PE parts so i put it aside but after seeing the progress of yours i might try to have another bash at it
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Posted: Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 11:36 AM UTC
Hey Caolan,
I think your Jagdtiger looks great especially since it is only your second model!
I would be focusing on nice clean construction at this point. You already have that down.... your construction looks really good. You are on your way and I hope you stay with it.

I'd say the next skill you need to master is working with oil paints- you can use them to fade the basecoat color and make washes that will and some depth to the recesses. The oil thinner I use is called Grumbacher Pretested Odorless Thinner.

The rust streaks can be done with oils too.
Keep posting your progress!
Griffon65
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Posted: Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 01:51 PM UTC

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It isn't rust. If you're talking about the chipped pain from where i used the hairspray method, I was going for primer under chipped paint, but like i say, other artists have gotten way better results sticking with steel or using a black/red combo. If you mean under the accoutrement, no, they didn't turn out nicely. have to find a new way to do that



OK, so you haven't added rust its just red primer, right?
Heedless_onE
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 12:09 PM UTC

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It isn't rust. If you're talking about the chipped pain from where i used the hairspray method, I was going for primer under chipped paint, but like i say, other artists have gotten way better results sticking with steel or using a black/red combo. If you mean under the accoutrement, no, they didn't turn out nicely. have to find a new way to do that



OK, so you haven't added rust its just red primer, right?



Yea basically.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 03:18 PM UTC
Looking very good. I like the JT too. I have one and I have yet to finish it. This one looks good.
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