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WIP-Vignette-Taking Cover Hue 1968
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 10:29 PM UTC

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Wow! who knew a small vignette would spark such a raging debate. I sincerely appreciate all of the input

Niel and all of the others~ I too have done some research on the Khe Sanh, Tet Offensive. The Marines in both battles would have been issued pretty much the same web gear with few exceptions. I understand with battle requirements load outs will differ. That is still common today. When I served in Iraq the combat load that I carried on my gear was different from the combat load carried by the infantrymen sluggging it out in Fallujah.
I have seen many pictures of varying loads in, on and around Khe Sanh.
I have also seen differences in gear loads among Marines stacked up on the walls in Hue. Speaking from experience Marines lose gear constantly. The gear list may call for two canteens but LCpl Knucklehead might have lost one on his last patrol.

The argument is really symptomatic of the tendency of us modellers to replicate an actual event. I am merely trying to pay homage to Marines who shed blood in a life and death battle. I am not taking away from any service men and women who served during Vietnam. In my opinion there are too few salutes to these courageous vets.



Thanks for keeping up. I will have more later.
Brian



Excellent setting and look forward to its progress. As for the gear and uniform saga, an excellent sum up.
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 12:47 AM UTC
Nice work on the Brick wall the bullet hole and chips look very effective!

bavindicator
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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2009 - 12:43 PM UTC
Tonight! Fun with Elephant Grass.

I am testing a couple of different ways of modeling Elephant grass that was common in Vietnam. The first Method is below. The figure is included jut to show scale.



The grass is made from a Pampas grass blade that had the center rib shaved out and then the individual blades of elephant grass was cut using a #11 blade held still while pulling the pampas grass blade steadily to try to achieve uniform thickness.

I am also going to try the same method with a thinner blade of grass to see which best simulates the elephant grass.

I figure if I make about 30-40 clumps of blades of varying heights that will simulate a pretty good stand of grass that will be on the inside of the wall.

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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2009 - 01:15 PM UTC
Brian nice work intereastin method!.

Nice poker chip

bavindicator
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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2009 - 01:34 PM UTC
My second method was a flop. The grass I was using had already become unworkable before I was able to do anything with it. So it looks like I am going with this method. Next I have to figure out how to preserve the pampas grass fronds so that they stay green and not dry out.
Any Suggestions?
bavindicator
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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 06:56 AM UTC
Method 2 of elephant grass

Using natural vegitation the way I intended to simulate Elephant Grass did not work out. So, I went to Michaels and low and behold they had plastic grass that looked sort of like what I was trying to do, however they were very large in comparison to my figure.



I used a method similar to what I did with the pampas grass leaves.

First I separated the grass into plugs.



Looking at the bundles of blades there were too many so I made a smaller bundle and using my third hand I lashed the bundles together using a clove hitch with some button thread. I CA'd the bundle together and trimmed the thread and the parts of the grass blade below the knot.



Now my grass is more in scale to my fig. Seeing that elephant grass is between 9-12 ft. tall it is right in line with where it should be.



Now all I have to do is make about 30 more plugs.

I also started forming the ground work on the opposite side of the wall where the Marines are going to be.



Last but not least. I have also started working on the figures. I have not received the DML kit that I ordered yet so for now I am going to work on the two figures that I have.





As you can see I am detailing these figures using masking tape to make their H-Harness. I also detailed the gas mask with the appropriate straps.
bavindicator
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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 01:05 PM UTC
More progress has been made. I started working on the groundwork. Notice the bandoleer for the grenadier for the rifle he picked up on the battlefield

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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 04:00 PM UTC
Hey Brian, Thats coming along real nice, Just one question, did Marines have canteen covers with h20 purification tablet holders at this time? im not sure but cant remember seeing any in period pictures. Awesome work pal.
bavindicator
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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 10:39 PM UTC
Adamant,
Thanks for looking and pointing out a possible historical inaccuracy. I did a little research and this is what I came up with.
Category Individual Equipment
Sub-Category M1967 Load Carrying Equipment
Date 1968
FSN 8465-860-0256
Specification MIL-C-43742

The M1967 1-quart canteen cover was made from OG-106 4-ounce nylon duck and featured an acrylic pile lining and two plastic snap fasteners. In addition to being both lighter and quicker drying than the M1956 cover it also boasted a small pocket for water purification tablets. Like its predecessor it had two slide keepers so that it could be attached to the belt and was often used as a pouch for carrying spare magazines.

http://www.vietnamgear.com/kit.aspx?kit=85
bavindicator
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 02:19 AM UTC
The M79 for the gunner I had orginally used on my PBR31-MKII and was shown as already loaded with the breech closed. I wanted to show this M79 grenadier to be shown loading his weapon to re-engage new targets. I had to find a way to disassemble the M79 so that I can drill out the breech and show it broken down shotgun style.

I did not like my orginal paint job on the M79 so I first stripped off the paint by soaking it in Westley's Bleche White over night.



I quickly figured out that my #11 blade was doing more harm than good so I used a dental floss pick as a small coping saw to separate the two halves.



Resulting in a properly disassembled M79 that I can now detail.

bavindicator
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 04:16 AM UTC
Started on painting the vignette base.

I made a pretty significant change. Based on some research and a previous poster's suggestion I plastered the wall sections and gave them a base coat of a custom color that is sort of blue/green. The wall sections are blackened with the base color showing through because I saw in some video's that there was alot of buildup on most walls.





The image below is a video capture from CBS news footage in Hue.


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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 01:06 PM UTC
Great work! the base is coming along very nicely!

bavindicator
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 09:34 AM UTC
I finished the palm tree last night after hours of tedious cutting of palm fronds.



I am next working on the other vegetation that will be behind the wall.

AgengG, and psstoff, Thanks for the feedback. I especially wanted to know if I was on the right track for the walls.

More Later

Brian
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 08:42 PM UTC
Your hard work paid off Brian, those palm fronds have got to be the best ive seen on thses forums! and there are alot of good ones, will look awesome with some careful painting. I was going through some pics of Marines at Hue and found what i think you might have used for reference on the sidewalk so looking very authentic, keep it up, its looking good from this end.

Any news on your DML Marines.
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 09:30 PM UTC
Superb palm tree! it looks very authentic!

Its coming on great keep it up!

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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 10:51 PM UTC

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Your hard work paid off Brian, those palm fronds have got to be the best ive seen on thses forums! and there are alot of good ones, will look awesome with some careful painting. I was going through some pics of Marines at Hue and found what i think you might have used for reference on the sidewalk so looking very authentic, keep it up, its looking good from this end.

Any news on your DML Marines.



I had ordered them from missionmodels.com on 7 April, last night I called the customer service line and only received a message machine. I left a message requesting information about when my order would be shipped. I will call again today.

Thanks for the compliments on the palm tree. I am not quite happy with it an will be redoing the top part. The epoxy putty at the top of the tree is rather large and the palm fronds are spaced too much so that the tree top looks like a really bad doll's head with a bunch of hair plugs. I took the photo from the optimum angle so that the tree looks fuller than it really is.
I will repost a new pic.
~Brian
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Posted: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 04:33 AM UTC
Brian,

Really nice looking diorama you have in progress there, I like the conversion work you have fdone on the figure kneeling he is going to look the biz ,

Best wishes,

Jerry
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Posted: Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 02:41 AM UTC
Sorry for the lag in posts. I am trying to push hard to finish the semester in college and I am way behind the power curve.

I finally received the DML Khe Sanh set and got right to work detailing the machine gunner. The web gear is medical tape.

After some deep thought I decided to add the figure that is trying to raise some help on the radio. This is a very small space to fit 3 figures. I have tried to accomodate for the brass that would be flying out of the M-60 so that the grenadier is not getting showered with brass and links.

I have also scratch built an M-72 LAW rocket launcher that will lay discarded by the grenadier.

If you notice that the wall paint is different that is because I had to repaint the outside of the wall after making a few tactical errors. I have also detailed the sidewalk with different colored bricks to break up the ocean of grey that a sidewalk is.

Here are some pics.







Here is a better shot of the LAW rocket that I scratchbuilt.
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Posted: Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 04:23 AM UTC
Nice job so far. It's coming together well.
I would get a thin green marker from Michaels and draw in a main rib for each leaf. Right now they look well shaped but flat. Then I'd give each frond a few layers of green wash. Mix up some various shades of greens, browns and a touch of black.

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Posted: Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:12 AM UTC
NIce work mate, superb stuff.
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2009 - 03:41 PM UTC
Progress has been very slow this week due to pushing to finish the semester. I had a metric butt ton of makeup work to complete and I still have a project to finish by Monday.

Here is what I have done tonight.

I worked on the RTO. I scratch built his soft pack for the AN/PRC-77 on his back. I also scratched all of his web gear.









Tomorrow more homework, and hopefully some primer on these guys.
I ran across a great reference book at the library on base.

Marines in HUE CITY A portrait of Urban Combat, Tet 1968 by Eric Hammel

And a terrific website http://www.virtualarchive.vietnam.ttu.edu/starweb/virtual/vva/servlet.starweb?path=virtual/vva/virtual.web the Texas Tech Virtual Vietnam Archive

~Brian

~Brian
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2009 - 11:46 PM UTC

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metric butt ton



Nice - I found a new adjective for my work load - hope you don't mind if I use it (I'll give you credit )

Great gear on the figure. I hope you have plans to trim the flyaway threads. I would mix a bit of white glue and water and brush the webbing. Let it dry then get some really small scissors (or fingernail clippers) and trim up the flyaways. The glue will help prevent more from happening.
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2009 - 11:51 PM UTC
Slodder,
Permission granted to use the adjective. Also thanks for the great tip on the loose threads. I didn't really see them until I took the pictures. Its amazing what closeups reveal.
I will hit them with some white glue this morning. I have a pair of very sharp cuticle scissors to trim away any excess.
~Brian
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Posted: Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 12:08 AM UTC
Looking good man, cant wait to see more progress shots, great tip from Scott , cheers.
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Posted: Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 12:56 AM UTC
hi , when i was a horticulture student we had to press specimens for assignments . these specimens usually retained their colour after drying . the best way was to obtain fresh plant material ( not wet ) and place them laid out thinly - not bunched up - between clean white paper between the pages of a telephone book . place in a dry warm place and stack more books on top . leave to dry for several weeks . takes time tho .