I know its been a while since I posted.
I am making this vignette of some Marines taking cover behind a wall in Hue City 1968.
The Inspiration comes from this photo.
So here is my plan.
I am building this for the Modelpocalypse Now 2009 contest in Winston-Salem NC next month. The Special theme is Vietnam 1960-1975.
This is also a salute to all Vietnam Veterans, Marines, and those who fought the bloody battle of Hue.
I plan on this vignette being the size of a CD
The figures I am using are leftovers from the Tamiya PBR MKII-31 kit.
I am not very good at modifying figure positions so I am going to make the ground work fit their positions.
The figures don't have any deuce gear so I am scrounging all of that from other figure kits.
The palm tree is scratch-built from coaxial cable, twine, and tissue paper.
The wall is going to be thinset that I have already poured. At scale thickness of 1:35 the wall will be approx. 11 inches wide.
Here is a mockup.
Here is what I have so far
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2009 - 11:29 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 12:51 AM UTC
Hi great idea!.
Its a good start! to your vigentte! keep up, it will be nice to see some more progress!
Its a good start! to your vigentte! keep up, it will be nice to see some more progress!
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 09:12 AM UTC
Looking forward to seeing finished model. Like the look of the tree trunk very realistic
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 07:09 PM UTC
Looking good and a good idea. To make your figures more accurate and easier, since they come with all the gear, you should look at getting one of the below sets. They are not currently in production, but come up often on Ebay and the trade forums. Either set would work for your needs. They are much better quality than the blobby Tamiya figures too.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 07:24 PM UTC
Sounds like a good idea and the layout looks good, Brian.
Keep us updated
Keep us updated
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 12:25 AM UTC
Looking good in concept. I like the way you flipped the wall and used it to divide the scene and allow for "non-subject" items like the tree to be added and not detract from the vignette.
Be careful with cardboard as a base. If you add groundwork or paint with a lot of moisture in it you'll get warping and deterioration.
Be careful with cardboard as a base. If you add groundwork or paint with a lot of moisture in it you'll get warping and deterioration.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 10:01 AM UTC
Gino~ Thanks for the suggestion on the figure sets. I ordered the Khe Sahn set this morning and should have it by the end of the week. I don't think my current M60 gunner is going to make the cut.
Scott~ I appreciate the feed back on my general concept and layout. It is always good to have other eyes confirm the idea. The mockup is not the actual base, I will be making a base out of plywood and wrapping it with Bass Wood Strip so that I can buid the ground work. This initial attempt was to see how everything fit together and to see if I was trying to put too much on the base that would detract from the vignette.
Update: I started making the leaves for the Palm Tree last night. I have 24 palm fronds cut to size, now all I have to do is make the silk leaves look like actual palm fronds.
Scott~ I appreciate the feed back on my general concept and layout. It is always good to have other eyes confirm the idea. The mockup is not the actual base, I will be making a base out of plywood and wrapping it with Bass Wood Strip so that I can buid the ground work. This initial attempt was to see how everything fit together and to see if I was trying to put too much on the base that would detract from the vignette.
Update: I started making the leaves for the Palm Tree last night. I have 24 palm fronds cut to size, now all I have to do is make the silk leaves look like actual palm fronds.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 11:17 AM UTC
Niel do me a favour, look up when the battle of Khe Sanh was, and when US troops were deployed there
there based on Khe Sanh and the Tet but can be used anywhere because are the troops at khe sanh going to be different from US troops in the south are they?
there based on Khe Sanh and the Tet but can be used anywhere because are the troops at khe sanh going to be different from US troops in the south are they?
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 01:30 PM UTC
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The fact those figures are specifically modelled and sold as Kah Sahn doe not mean that they are inaccurate for any other area of Vietnam of a similar period to 1968 does it?
I a confused to DMLs specific pin point location of maybe only 2 square km in 1968 for these models yet the other set says only Tet which is more broad.
Thats my question and 20 Agorots.
Am guessing here but id say yes, you are limited to where you can use the Khe Shan set in a Viet Nam setting. Firstly because they are wearing the m1955 flak vest peculiar to Marines, out of the box they could only be Marines or Navy corpsman or S.e.a.l.s.
Again using them straight out of the box and this is more a personal opinion, they appear in contrast to the Tet set, unencumbered as far as extra kit goes, hinting at soldiers operating on a base rather then in the boonies or a town, city etc.
Just a couple of points Brian on your pending DML figures, you might want to replace the helmets, if i remember correctly none of the m1 helmets in these kits are identical or look right shape wise. A good and relatively cheap source would be DML gen2 Tarawa figures. Entirely up to yourself tho. That s a great setting and will watch your progress keenly. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 02:24 PM UTC
You need to work on the leaves of the fronds. Some are squared off on the outter edge. These need to be feathered to a point.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 02:33 PM UTC
Slodder,
This was my first attempt at the palm fronds. I will give it another shot on trying to neaten up the tips. I have plenty more where that one came from.
Brian
This was my first attempt at the palm fronds. I will give it another shot on trying to neaten up the tips. I have plenty more where that one came from.
Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 12:07 AM UTC
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Quoted TextNiel do me a favour, look up when the battle of Khe Sanh was, and when US troops were deployed there
there based on Khe Sanh and the Tet but can be used anywhere because are the troops at khe sanh going to be different from US troops in the south are they?
The Battle of Khe Sanh, or Operation Scotland and Operation Pegasus, was conducted in northwestern Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), between 21 January and 8 April 1968 during the Vietnam War.
Now you know not only when it was James but also where (even though the year is clearly marked on the box).
Read the post that follows yours, I was right in my assumption.
Niel, me telling you to look it up was sarcasm Having spent the last 4 months oing A level history about the cold war, and the war in asia and being part of a Vietnam S.I.G I know when the battle of Khe Sanh, Btw Niel nice to see you used wikipedia for your information real accurate! and he said about using them on a fire base or something there wern't just fire bases around Khe Sanh
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 12:42 AM UTC
Hi Brian,
I was following your progress on your HF thread but it appears you have stopped updating it...
So, it looks like you are using the Sikkema method of making palm trees. To be honest, that method doesn't really result in an accurate palm tree. The surface of the fabric doesn't represent real palm fronds very well. Not to say it is a bad technique, as it gave me ideas to improve my own palm tree creation. If I could possibly point you in the direction of my own method here. It's not a perfect representation, as I'm still exploring ways to improve it. I hope it will help you though.
Chas
I was following your progress on your HF thread but it appears you have stopped updating it...
So, it looks like you are using the Sikkema method of making palm trees. To be honest, that method doesn't really result in an accurate palm tree. The surface of the fabric doesn't represent real palm fronds very well. Not to say it is a bad technique, as it gave me ideas to improve my own palm tree creation. If I could possibly point you in the direction of my own method here. It's not a perfect representation, as I'm still exploring ways to improve it. I hope it will help you though.
Chas
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 02:30 AM UTC
I don't really understand the argument that is going on, but the uniforms in both kits certainly look similar and could be used together/ interchanged.
Brian, if there are any inaccuracies, take it as an opportunity to do some conversions or sculpting. I know that you might need to remove the playing cards from the Marine's helmet (Tet kit).
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/137251
Chas
Brian, if there are any inaccuracies, take it as an opportunity to do some conversions or sculpting. I know that you might need to remove the playing cards from the Marine's helmet (Tet kit).
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/137251
Chas
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 02:56 AM UTC
As Chas said, the figures are pretty much the same with the exception of the less gear on the Khe Sanh figures. They can easily represent any Marines in Vietnam around 1968. They can be mixed and gear added or deleted to make them more compatable too. Thats why I recommended them.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 03:28 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted TextNiel do me a favour, look up when the battle of Khe Sanh was, and when US troops were deployed there
there based on Khe Sanh and the Tet but can be used anywhere because are the troops at khe sanh going to be different from US troops in the south are they?
The Battle of Khe Sanh, or Operation Scotland and Operation Pegasus, was conducted in northwestern Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), between 21 January and 8 April 1968 during the Vietnam War.
Now you know not only when it was James but also where (even though the year is clearly marked on the box).
Read the post that follows yours, I was right in my assumption.
Niel, me telling you to look it up was sarcasm Having spent the last 4 months oing A level history about the cold war, and the war in asia and being part of a Vietnam S.I.G I know when the battle of Khe Sanh, Btw Niel nice to see you used wikipedia for your information real accurate! and he said about using them on a fire base or something there wern't just fire bases around Khe Sanh
The information is accurate, that is a fact. Doesn't matter where it comes from if it is true. Wikipedia is accurate as long as people are knowledgeable (I am grateful that I am) to validate the posts. Good for you and your studies, maybe more time studying English and not history is required. I dont understand your elitist posting either. You seem to post information regarding subject matters you have no information regarding. Clearly telling a fellow modeller that Banksey had not painted murals in the West Bank near to Bet Lehem one of them. Why do you need to feel the purpose of sarcastic comments? Is it to cover up your lack of knowledge? Besides my name is spelt Neil, I made the point of spelling yours correctly.
Yeah i said something sarcastic to cover up me lack of knowledge call it that, but im sorry but someone thats servingin the US army now is going to be more accurate than some student that just sits on here to cause trouble and who doesnt post his work kind of gives us a distinct impression, actually you spelt mine wrong to its Jaymes. but i dont whish to be picky . Okay my information on Vietnam isn't as strong as some people but make sure you can back your stuff up and no Wikipedia is not an accurate source of information as anyone could change it!
wind it in now other wise Brian's thread will end up locked and were going to cloud over his work with this informattion P******.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 05:15 AM UTC
The reason why the Marines around the airport did not have much equipment was because many had just arrived in country and got issued there weapons and ammo and helped defend the area.
I have the Tet marines, they are a nice set but a bit soft. However still a nice set!
Intersting argument.
P.s "information from battles of the 20th century, a great book!"
I have the Tet marines, they are a nice set but a bit soft. However still a nice set!
Intersting argument.
P.s "information from battles of the 20th century, a great book!"
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 05:20 AM UTC
Nice work as well mate. It has great potential to look awsum!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 12:56 PM UTC
Wow! who knew a small vignette would spark such a raging debate. I sincerely appreciate all of the input.
Chas~ I have read through your tutorial and I like your method. The only drawback for me is that I am trying to complete this project on somewhat of a budget. The palm tree trunk I had made over three years ago when I first read the article. I had also bought the silk leaves way back then. I figured now is as good a time as any to use them to add a little spice to my setting.
Niel and all of the others~ I too have done some research on the Khe Sanh, Tet Offensive. The Marines in both battles would have been issued pretty much the same web gear with few exceptions. I understand with battle requirements load outs will differ. That is still common today. When I served in Iraq the combat load that I carried on my gear was different from the combat load carried by the infantrymen sluggging it out in Fallujah.
I have seen many pictures of varying loads in, on and around Khe Sanh.
I have also seen differences in gear loads among Marines stacked up on the walls in Hue. Speaking from experience Marines lose gear constantly. The gear list may call for two canteens but LCpl Knucklehead might have lost one on his last patrol.
The argument is really symptomatic of the tendency of us modellers to replicate an actual event. I am merely trying to pay homage to Marines who shed blood in a life and death battle. I am not taking away from any service men and women who served during Vietnam. In my opinion there are too few salutes to these courageous vets.
Chas~ I will update my HF post. I have been updating this post before I go to work in the morning and have only been able to update the posts on Armorama and FineScale Modeller.
Here is tonight's progress
Tonight I cut out the plywood base and I have cut the sections of wall out of pre-poured skim coat. I am starting to carve in the brickwork.
Thanks for keeping up. I will have more later.
Brian
Chas~ I have read through your tutorial and I like your method. The only drawback for me is that I am trying to complete this project on somewhat of a budget. The palm tree trunk I had made over three years ago when I first read the article. I had also bought the silk leaves way back then. I figured now is as good a time as any to use them to add a little spice to my setting.
Niel and all of the others~ I too have done some research on the Khe Sanh, Tet Offensive. The Marines in both battles would have been issued pretty much the same web gear with few exceptions. I understand with battle requirements load outs will differ. That is still common today. When I served in Iraq the combat load that I carried on my gear was different from the combat load carried by the infantrymen sluggging it out in Fallujah.
I have seen many pictures of varying loads in, on and around Khe Sanh.
I have also seen differences in gear loads among Marines stacked up on the walls in Hue. Speaking from experience Marines lose gear constantly. The gear list may call for two canteens but LCpl Knucklehead might have lost one on his last patrol.
The argument is really symptomatic of the tendency of us modellers to replicate an actual event. I am merely trying to pay homage to Marines who shed blood in a life and death battle. I am not taking away from any service men and women who served during Vietnam. In my opinion there are too few salutes to these courageous vets.
Chas~ I will update my HF post. I have been updating this post before I go to work in the morning and have only been able to update the posts on Armorama and FineScale Modeller.
Here is tonight's progress
Tonight I cut out the plywood base and I have cut the sections of wall out of pre-poured skim coat. I am starting to carve in the brickwork.
Thanks for keeping up. I will have more later.
Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 03:10 PM UTC
I finished up the other section of wall. This is the side that will be facing away from the Marines. You can see the many bullet/RPG strikes from incoming enemy fire.
Semper Fi
Brian
Semper Fi
Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 09:28 PM UTC
Hello Brian
Nice idea for a small vignette.
Coming along nicely,the stone wall looks to be well thought out.
Like what your doing.
Nice idea for a small vignette.
Coming along nicely,the stone wall looks to be well thought out.
Like what your doing.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 10:12 PM UTC
Nice work Mate!