Hello again guys,
I was just looking at the built model in another M88 thread & I think its really good. It got me to thinking:
The wheels & suspension on the M88 are the same as the M48 Patton, aren't they? If they are then I can use the MR Modellbau M48 final drives available from Accurate Armour, right?
Also, I guess the real thing was loaded up with tow cables so where can I get a good stash of relevant US tow cables from including the short version seen on many M48's?
All info appreciated.
Joe.
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M88 in Vietnam?
joegrafton
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Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 11:11 AM UTC
bpunchy
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Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 09:24 PM UTC
Hi Joe , been reading and following this thread , I built this kit and its a beauty .
I'm away at work at the moment , when I get back home I'll upload some photos .
All the cables and strings are in the kit .
Theres a kit in the stash at my model club for $ 40.00 Aust . If all else fails .
I'm away at work at the moment , when I get back home I'll upload some photos .
All the cables and strings are in the kit .
Theres a kit in the stash at my model club for $ 40.00 Aust . If all else fails .
joegrafton
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 02:35 AM UTC
Hi fellas,
I just wanted to let you all know that the AFV Club M88 Vietnam version has just turned up on my doorstep.
Wow, it really is an awesome kit!
I'm gonna have fun making this! I'll post a few photos when I eventually get started. My 18 month old little girl is not allowing me much time at the moment! Keeping me up all night, she is!
Dont you just love 'em!
Joe.
I just wanted to let you all know that the AFV Club M88 Vietnam version has just turned up on my doorstep.
Wow, it really is an awesome kit!
I'm gonna have fun making this! I'll post a few photos when I eventually get started. My 18 month old little girl is not allowing me much time at the moment! Keeping me up all night, she is!
Dont you just love 'em!
Joe.
joegrafton
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 02:38 AM UTC
Oh yeah,
And I'll give the guy a quick plug.
I got it from a fella in Belgium if anyones interested. You can find him at www.minitair.be
Very fast delivery!
Joe.
And I'll give the guy a quick plug.
I got it from a fella in Belgium if anyones interested. You can find him at www.minitair.be
Very fast delivery!
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 03:01 AM UTC
I have the Mr Models interior set. Ive not built it yet but it doesnt look too bad. Based on looking at reference pics and the tech manual its clear some parts are missing, along with all of the plumbing and wiring. The instructions are real crap, they are half the reason ive not bothered building this yet. You will absolutely need a lot of reference material if bothering with the interior. Theres also the fact that the side hatch is incredibly small so very little will be seen once built (I plan on lighting the interior with small LED's)
joegrafton
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 03:13 AM UTC
Hi Rob,
How are you, mate?
Yeah, I'm looking to get the interior too, as I plan to model this kit with all doors & hatches open.
I've also heard its a "dog" too(a quote taken from this very thread)! I will need those reference photos!
That's a damn good idea with the LED's, Rob! I might try a bit of that myself. Lighting it up with red lighting inside will make it look pretty cool indeed!
Good luck, mate.
Joe.
How are you, mate?
Yeah, I'm looking to get the interior too, as I plan to model this kit with all doors & hatches open.
I've also heard its a "dog" too(a quote taken from this very thread)! I will need those reference photos!
That's a damn good idea with the LED's, Rob! I might try a bit of that myself. Lighting it up with red lighting inside will make it look pretty cool indeed!
Good luck, mate.
Joe.
thomokiwi
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 04:00 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi fellas,
I just wanted to let you all know that the AFV Club M88 Vietnam version has just turned up on my doorstep.
Wow, it really is an awesome kit!
I'm gonna have fun making this! I'll post a few photos when I eventually get started. My 18 month old little girl is not allowing me much time at the moment! Keeping me up all night, she is!
Dont you just love 'em!
Joe.
Where did you end up sourcing one??. I have the M88A! Kit #3508 but I am really after the Vietnam version. I understand there are small differences
joegrafton
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 06:34 PM UTC
Hiya Thomo,
I got mine at www.minitair.be in Belgium.
And I think also www.michtoy.com in USA have them aswell.
I hope you find one, mate. The kit looks excellent!
Good luck.
Joe.
I got mine at www.minitair.be in Belgium.
And I think also www.michtoy.com in USA have them aswell.
I hope you find one, mate. The kit looks excellent!
Good luck.
Joe.
thomokiwi
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 09:35 PM UTC
Cheers Joe
I might have to try closer to home as postagecan be a bit steep. However if I can find one down here I will try the ones you have mention. I look forward to the build.
I might have to try closer to home as postagecan be a bit steep. However if I can find one down here I will try the ones you have mention. I look forward to the build.
joegrafton
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 11:28 PM UTC
Hiya Thomo,
I know what you mean about postage costs mate. Mind you, I couldn't believe how quickly the kit got here. I mean, I swear the guy jumped in his van & drove it to England all the way from Belgium! It was that quick - door to door!
Alternatively, mabye you could email the guy in Belgium explaining the situation; he might put it on the slow boat for you. This takes a lot longer to get to your place but is obviously a lot cheaper. Of course, it's up to you!
I wonder if its cheaper to get it sent to me in the UK & then me send it on to you; rather than pay the high postage costs on model kit websites these days. Again, its up to you. Depends on whether you trust me or not, I suppose.
Good luck anyway, mate.
Joe.
I know what you mean about postage costs mate. Mind you, I couldn't believe how quickly the kit got here. I mean, I swear the guy jumped in his van & drove it to England all the way from Belgium! It was that quick - door to door!
Alternatively, mabye you could email the guy in Belgium explaining the situation; he might put it on the slow boat for you. This takes a lot longer to get to your place but is obviously a lot cheaper. Of course, it's up to you!
I wonder if its cheaper to get it sent to me in the UK & then me send it on to you; rather than pay the high postage costs on model kit websites these days. Again, its up to you. Depends on whether you trust me or not, I suppose.
Good luck anyway, mate.
Joe.
joegrafton
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Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 12:17 PM UTC
Did the marines have the M88 aswell?
If so, what colour were the markings? Yellow?
Joe.
If so, what colour were the markings? Yellow?
Joe.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 01:15 PM UTC
I'm not sure of when/if the USMC adopted the M88 in Vietnam. I am inclined to say they didn't. Instead, they were big users of the M51 HRV (Heavy Recovery Vehicle), which was based on the M103 Heavy Tank, which used many components from the M48 chassis.
On the USMC M51s, the markings were in yellow though, as well on their M48s, so it would be logical that M88s (if used) would also have yellow markings.
On the USMC M51s, the markings were in yellow though, as well on their M48s, so it would be logical that M88s (if used) would also have yellow markings.
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2010 - 09:29 AM UTC
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I'm not sure of when/if the USMC adopted the M88 in Vietnam. I am inclined to say they didn't. Instead, they were big users of the M51 HRV (Heavy Recovery Vehicle), which was based on the M103 Heavy Tank, which used many components from the M48 chassis.
On the USMC M51s, the markings were in yellow though, as well on their M48s, so it would be logical that M88s (if used) would also have yellow markings.
the only wreckers I ever saw Marines use were the 10 ton trucks, but I'm certain they did use them. One thing to remember about the M88 in Vietnam is that a whole lot of them (if not all of them) were gasoline fueled. So if your doing the engine you need to remember that. The transmission was the same as the later ones were, and didn't get beefed up till sometime in the 1980's
gary
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2010 - 09:59 AM UTC
I was wondering if somebody was going to bring that up. The plain M88 had an AVSI-1790 gasoline engine. The M88A1 has an AVDS-1790 diesel engine. I can't remember if the rear decking was different or not since I never saw them side by side. And for those that are curious.....
A= Air cooled
V= V cylinder configuration
S= Supercharged
I= Injected
A= Air cooled
V= V cylinder configuration
D= Diesel
S= Supercharged
1790= Cubic inch displacement
Anyway, I thought I'd throw that out there for the fun of it.
A= Air cooled
V= V cylinder configuration
S= Supercharged
I= Injected
A= Air cooled
V= V cylinder configuration
D= Diesel
S= Supercharged
1790= Cubic inch displacement
Anyway, I thought I'd throw that out there for the fun of it.
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2010 - 11:13 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Only the gasoline version served in Vietnam as far as I know. The M88A1 didn't enter service until 1975.
Regarding USMC use of tracked recovery vehicles in Vietnam I'm of the same opinion as Gino. M51 instead of the M88. I might have missed something though...
Cheers,
/E
Only the gasoline version served in Vietnam as far as I know. The M88A1 didn't enter service until 1975.
Regarding USMC use of tracked recovery vehicles in Vietnam I'm of the same opinion as Gino. M51 instead of the M88. I might have missed something though...
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 12:19 AM UTC
Hi mates , having finished my swing at work and being back home here are some photos of my built AFV M88 in Vietnam
I hope you like em , comments welcome
I hope you like em , comments welcome
zapper
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 01:18 AM UTC
Brian,
Looking really good!
I like the stowage and added straps for the tool rack.
Just to point out the external differences between the plain M88 and the M88A1 I included a crude photo of my own WIP:
Did I miss any?
Cheers,
/E
Looking really good!
I like the stowage and added straps for the tool rack.
Just to point out the external differences between the plain M88 and the M88A1 I included a crude photo of my own WIP:
Did I miss any?
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 03:01 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Brian, that's a great piece you've done there old soldier!
I love the weathering effects & all the little extras you've added.
When I start on mine I'll give you a shout for some advice if that's okay with you.
Good luck boys. Keep up the good work!
Joe.
Brian, that's a great piece you've done there old soldier!
I love the weathering effects & all the little extras you've added.
When I start on mine I'll give you a shout for some advice if that's okay with you.
Good luck boys. Keep up the good work!
Joe.
bpunchy
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 11:22 AM UTC
Hey Joe , thanks mate any help I can give I will . Too easy . I'm no old soldier , just a punch drunk ex - pugilist . 
( dont ring any bells ) 
Simon Dunstans book has a photo of the rear deck of an M888 that shows interesting stowage arrangement ( page 74 ) .
My email is still down
( dont ring any bells ) Simon Dunstans book has a photo of the rear deck of an M888 that shows interesting stowage arrangement ( page 74 ) .
My email is still down
thomokiwi
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 08:06 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hiya Thomo,
I know what you mean about postage costs mate. Mind you, I couldn't believe how quickly the kit got here. I mean, I swear the guy jumped in his van & drove it to England all the way from Belgium! It was that quick - door to door!
Alternatively, mabye you could email the guy in Belgium explaining the situation; he might put it on the slow boat for you. This takes a lot longer to get to your place but is obviously a lot cheaper. Of course, it's up to you!
I wonder if its cheaper to get it sent to me in the UK & then me send it on to you; rather than pay the high postage costs on model kit websites these days. Again, its up to you. Depends on whether you trust me or not, I suppose.
Good luck anyway, mate.
Joe.
Hi Joe
Did you get my PM to you
joegrafton
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2010 - 08:01 AM UTC
Hi Thomo,
Did you get my PM?
Get back to me, mate!
Joe.
Did you get my PM?
Get back to me, mate!
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2010 - 04:43 PM UTC
Yes Thanks
got it and replied
Ta
got it and replied
Ta
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Posted: Friday, February 26, 2010 - 12:09 AM UTC
Great work Brian!!! i 'm really interested in your M88 especially the accessories added on. Did you intend to put it on a dio ,I see the boom A loaded something, an M41 engine or an M113 engine from Academy??
m75
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Posted: Friday, February 26, 2010 - 07:29 AM UTC
The new Squadron M88 Walk Around book has a boat-load of interior pictures, allowing the resin AM interior conversion to better fit the actual view of the M88.
bpunchy
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Posted: Friday, February 26, 2010 - 08:23 AM UTC
Hi Ha PHAM , thanks for the kind words , the engine is from the academy M113 kit , I added some lead sinkers to make it heavier .
I just thought that I wanted to have the boom up and slinging a load . I didnt spend any effort detailing the engine as I had no references . Maybe someone has reference photos of the engines from M48's and M113's ?
I didnt intend to put it in a diorama as I do not have space to display them .
I liked the Centurion and your M88 that you built , they are very good .
Brian
I just thought that I wanted to have the boom up and slinging a load . I didnt spend any effort detailing the engine as I had no references . Maybe someone has reference photos of the engines from M48's and M113's ?
I didnt intend to put it in a diorama as I do not have space to display them .
I liked the Centurion and your M88 that you built , they are very good .
Brian
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