Hi fellas,
Does anybody know where I can pick up the new Squadron Signal M88 Walkaround book in the UK?
It's proving quite difficult to locate.
Cheers for your help.
Joe.
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M88 in Vietnam?
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Posted: Friday, March 05, 2010 - 06:58 AM UTC
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Hi Ha PHAM , thanks for the kind words , the engine is from the academy M113 kit , I added some lead sinkers to make it heavier .
I just thought that I wanted to have the boom up and slinging a load . I didnt spend any effort detailing the engine as I had no references . Maybe someone has reference photos of the engines from M48's and M113's ?
I didnt intend to put it in a diorama as I do not have space to display them .
I liked the Centurion and your M88 that you built , they are very good .
Brian
just a note on that engine:
98% of all M113's in RVN used a deisel engine, and the gasoline powered stuff used a Chrysler 361" V8. Most always the "water steer" gear box was removed before being shipped over seas. I've seen the interior of M113's in white and sea foam green. The M113 was probably the most customized item in country!
gary
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Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 - 12:49 PM UTC
Hiya fellas,
I got my MR Modellbau M88 interior set the other day along with some lifting chains & towing eyes.
Now all I need is the Squadron Signal M88 Walk Around so that I can fix the infamous Modellbau kit!
I still cant find this book in the UK!
Oh well. Good things come to those who wait, as they say.
Joe.
I got my MR Modellbau M88 interior set the other day along with some lifting chains & towing eyes.
Now all I need is the Squadron Signal M88 Walk Around so that I can fix the infamous Modellbau kit!
I still cant find this book in the UK!
Oh well. Good things come to those who wait, as they say.
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 09:34 PM UTC
Hi fellas,
Was the M88 ever used in convoy duty?
Thanks in advance guys.
Joe.
Was the M88 ever used in convoy duty?
Thanks in advance guys.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 07:23 AM UTC
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Hi fellas,
Was the M88 ever used in convoy duty?
Thanks in advance guys.
Joe.
Nope!
M88's stayed with track mechanics at the motor pool. They normally didn't go out in the bush unless it was a dire emergencey, but still they did. Yet when a full troop engagement was taking place the whole motor pool would be out there as well. The motor pool was often assigned an M48 and at least one M113 (usually one that was considered to be well used up) Most of the time you needed an M88 in the field you ended up needing two of them (like in removing a locked up turret). In the bush you changed power pacs with a pair of choppers. M88's were just too heavy for cross country use; as well as too expensive. The thing that broke the most in the bush was tortion bars, and a good track mechanic knew how to change one on a 48 in no time (be surprise how fast you can change one when the neighbors drop by for tea & crumpets)
gary
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 07:32 AM UTC
Hi Gary,
Thanks for your reply. I can understand that they were seldom used in the bush but what about along roads? I've recently finished a book called "Circle the Wagons" by Richard E Killblane & he talks a lot about convoys traversing the An Khe Pass along QL-19. Would an M88 accompany these supply convoys if they were just using the roads or would recovery be left to a recovery truck like the M543 wrecker?
Joe.
Thanks for your reply. I can understand that they were seldom used in the bush but what about along roads? I've recently finished a book called "Circle the Wagons" by Richard E Killblane & he talks a lot about convoys traversing the An Khe Pass along QL-19. Would an M88 accompany these supply convoys if they were just using the roads or would recovery be left to a recovery truck like the M543 wrecker?
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 09:25 AM UTC
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Hi Gary,
Thanks for your reply. I can understand that they were seldom used in the bush but what about along roads? I've recently finished a book called "Circle the Wagons" by Richard E Killblane & he talks a lot about convoys traversing the An Khe Pass along QL-19. Would an M88 accompany these supply convoys if they were just using the roads or would recovery be left to a recovery truck like the M543 wrecker?
Joe.
knowing just a tiny bit about that place I would say that it was either in transport to a base camp, or maybe they planned on using it (very doubtfull as there were better uses for an M88, and there never was enough of them). Besides if it was for security, an M48 would have been able to drag a truck out of the way just as well. But just maybe they had a surplus of M88's down there while everybody else was begging for one
gary
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 11:53 AM UTC
Gary,
I've got a couple of the AFV Club M88's that I want to build & was thinking about how to use them. I'd like to get the Real Model M543 5ton medium wrecker & incorporate both vehicles in some sort of dio.
To have both vehicles on some kind of a road is probably the easiest option but I need to get my facts right before I start. If the M88 was never part of a convoy or convoy security then there is no point depicting it.
If both vehicles were at the motor pool then I can depict a scene from there.
So I'm guessing here but were motor pools in main base areas & what else will I need to show? Broken & battered vehicles for instance?
Joe.
I've got a couple of the AFV Club M88's that I want to build & was thinking about how to use them. I'd like to get the Real Model M543 5ton medium wrecker & incorporate both vehicles in some sort of dio.
To have both vehicles on some kind of a road is probably the easiest option but I need to get my facts right before I start. If the M88 was never part of a convoy or convoy security then there is no point depicting it.
If both vehicles were at the motor pool then I can depict a scene from there.
So I'm guessing here but were motor pools in main base areas & what else will I need to show? Broken & battered vehicles for instance?
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 02:33 PM UTC
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Gary,
I've got a couple of the AFV Club M88's that I want to build & was thinking about how to use them. I'd like to get the Real Model M543 5ton medium wrecker & incorporate both vehicles in some sort of dio.
To have both vehicles on some kind of a road is probably the easiest option but I need to get my facts right before I start. If the M88 was never part of a convoy or convoy security then there is no point depicting it.
If both vehicles were at the motor pool then I can depict a scene from there.
So I'm guessing here but were motor pools in main base areas & what else will I need to show? Broken & battered vehicles for instance?
Joe.
well if you wanted to do a diorama with an M88, and wanted it to be an actual event I could tell you about the great O.D. painted rock they found on LZ Sooner!! I imagine he's still paying for it to this very day (or is dead)!
Seriously, they were very expensive tracks back then, and were really guarded, But I've seen them here and there. I once saw one towing four ACAV's back to the rear for a complete rebuild. When they were needed they'd call them out to the site; if they could get there. But you have to remember they couldn't cross rivers all that well and had to pretty stay on solid ground all the time.
gary
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 08:11 PM UTC
Gary,
I'd love to hear the story about the OD painted rock!
Joe.
I'd love to hear the story about the OD painted rock!
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:09 AM UTC
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Gary,
I'd love to hear the story about the OD painted rock!
Joe.
There was always a need for an M88 somewhere. So there was this very enterising Full Bird Colonel in a CAV outfit (think 17th), and he CBL's his M88 to get a new one (even though the one he has is in great condition). Now he has to M88's, and nobody knows about it! They setup a base camp on LZ Sooner, right near the base of the mountain that LZ West is on. He gets word that they are going to perform a full CMMI on his unit! He has to hide the M88, so he has them bury it on Sooner. Within two hours after the CMMI they give him orders to make a road march up north close to the DMZ. They never get the track uncovered. So now go a year and a half later, and a troop out of the 1st CAV moves in there for a base camp (B Troop). They fly in a Seabee with his little bitty dozer to dig revetments and fire pits (they are getting ready for a major combat assualt on the base of the Hiep Duc Ridge's northern face near Hau Duc). The dozer hits a rock, and starts to dig around it. But it's a big one! Then somebody discovers that the thing is green! After awhile they get it uncovered, and open it up! Then drive it outta the hole. The Army was last heard about looking for the Colonel that buried it! As they planed on making him pay for it (summer of 1969). Wonder if the guy ever got it paid off?
gary
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:10 AM UTC
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I'm not sure of when/if the USMC adopted the M88 in Vietnam. I am inclined to say they didn't. Instead, they were big users of the M51 HRV (Heavy Recovery Vehicle), which was based on the M103 Heavy Tank, which used many components from the M48 chassis.
On the USMC M51s, the markings were in yellow though, as well on their M48s, so it would be logical that M88s (if used) would also have yellow markings.
would love to have a kit of that beast!
gary
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:16 AM UTC
Gary,
Now that is a great story about the colonel & the M88! Did he really think that he would get away with it?
Marcel, thanks for your input & the link to a great looking kit! I might have to invest in one of those myself! What do you think, Gary? Impressive, eh?
They also do an M149 water trailer that is compatible with the war in Vietnam which would make a great addition to a diorama. Thanks again, my friend.
Joe.
Now that is a great story about the colonel & the M88! Did he really think that he would get away with it?
Marcel, thanks for your input & the link to a great looking kit! I might have to invest in one of those myself! What do you think, Gary? Impressive, eh?
They also do an M149 water trailer that is compatible with the war in Vietnam which would make a great addition to a diorama. Thanks again, my friend.
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 05:38 PM UTC
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Gary,
Now that is a great story about the colonel & the M88! Did he really think that he would get away with it?
Marcel, thanks for your input & the link to a great looking kit! I might have to invest in one of those myself! What do you think, Gary? Impressive, eh?
They also do an M149 water trailer that is compatible with the war in Vietnam which would make a great addition to a diorama. Thanks again, my friend.
Joe.
189 Euros is pretty steep for me these days! But I'd love to build one. The water tanker was a very common sight everywhere, along with blivits. You gotta have water everywhere you go.
gary
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 07:51 PM UTC
Hi Gary,
Yes, I do agree with you that the cost is pretty expensive. It's a shame that many of these kits are such a fortune as it tends to price a lot of modellers out.
Has a company ever made those blivets as an AM product? There are so many pictures from the period with those blivets in!
Joe.
Yes, I do agree with you that the cost is pretty expensive. It's a shame that many of these kits are such a fortune as it tends to price a lot of modellers out.
Has a company ever made those blivets as an AM product? There are so many pictures from the period with those blivets in!
Joe.
Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 11:26 AM UTC
Joe, I tried and tried but couldn't get any clear pics of the inside on mine, sorry
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Hi Gary,
Yes, I do agree with you that the cost is pretty expensive. It's a shame that many of these kits are such a fortune as it tends to price a lot of modellers out.
Has a company ever made those blivets as an AM product? There are so many pictures from the period with those blivets in!
Joe.
I've never seen one, but looks like it would be easy to scratch build one. There were several sizes, but the one most commonly seen out on LZ's was about 4feet in diameter and maybe six feet long with a brass valve at one end.
gary
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:23 PM UTC
Okay fellas,
Thanks James for trying & thanks Gary for the dimensions of the blivet. I'll give that scratchbuild a go when I get round to it.
All the best guys.
Joe.
Thanks James for trying & thanks Gary for the dimensions of the blivet. I'll give that scratchbuild a go when I get round to it.
All the best guys.
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 05:20 AM UTC
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Okay fellas,
Thanks James for trying & thanks Gary for the dimensions of the blivet. I'll give that scratchbuild a go when I get round to it.
All the best guys.
Joe.
the water tank trailer was also very common, and they'd just sling it under a chopper when they brought it out. We'd get a fresh one everyday. Line outfits always kept their quartermaster group back in the rear for things like that. You'd radio back there and tell that what you needed and give it a priority. The water tanker comes in at about the sametime the ammo resupply shows up, and is usually brought out by the same bunch (they'll make three or four runs out to you in the morning). Food usually came out via slick, but everything else was by CH46
gary
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Posted: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 10:41 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Regarding the blivets I think the old Verlinden no. 386 US army field refueling unit is what you look for:
http://www.miragemodellismo.it/mirage/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/fd1ab436cc2d4a62dc40457bad0c1874.jpg
Cheers,
/E
Regarding the blivets I think the old Verlinden no. 386 US army field refueling unit is what you look for:
http://www.miragemodellismo.it/mirage/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/fd1ab436cc2d4a62dc40457bad0c1874.jpg
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 11:01 AM UTC
Hi Erik,
Long time no hear! How are you? I hope you are keeping well!
That is a great link. Exactly what we are looking for!
I would imagine it is an old & rare item to find now though.
Difficult to get hold of?
Joe.
Long time no hear! How are you? I hope you are keeping well!
That is a great link. Exactly what we are looking for!
I would imagine it is an old & rare item to find now though.
Difficult to get hold of?
Joe.
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I would imagine it is an old & rare item to find now though.
Difficult to get hold of?
eBay is your friend Joe
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380197362668
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 07:20 PM UTC
Thanks Frenchy!
Joe.
Joe.