Hello all,
I'd like to build an M88 during the Vietnam war. What would be the best kit to use?
I understand that AFV Club do an M88A1 & an M88A1G. Did they also do a Vietnam version? Or would either of the above kits be adequate?
Any kit numbers would be a help.
Also, any good aftermarket products available?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joe.
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M88 in Vietnam?
joegrafton
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 10:47 AM UTC
zapper
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Joe,
AFV Club no. 35011 is the plain M88 and that's the one you're looking for. I think it's OOP at the moment. Eduard have a PE set and MR Modellbau have an interior (said to be a real dog). The Vietnam version includes the AFV Club link-by-link tracks an PE head light guards.
Cheers,
/E
AFV Club no. 35011 is the plain M88 and that's the one you're looking for. I think it's OOP at the moment. Eduard have a PE set and MR Modellbau have an interior (said to be a real dog). The Vietnam version includes the AFV Club link-by-link tracks an PE head light guards.
Cheers,
/E
joegrafton
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 12:39 PM UTC
Hi Erik,
Thanks for the info. I am now in the process of locating AFV Club 35011. I think I've found one.
Is the Eduard phot-etch specifically for KIT #35011 or is it the M88A1/M88A1G?
Why is the MR Modellbau interior a real dog? Is it not very accurate or is it difficult to construct? I've sent an email to them to see if they have one for sale!
Anyway, thanks once again. I look forward to hearing from you.
Joe.
Thanks for the info. I am now in the process of locating AFV Club 35011. I think I've found one.
Is the Eduard phot-etch specifically for KIT #35011 or is it the M88A1/M88A1G?
Why is the MR Modellbau interior a real dog? Is it not very accurate or is it difficult to construct? I've sent an email to them to see if they have one for sale!
Anyway, thanks once again. I look forward to hearing from you.
Joe.
m75
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 01:13 PM UTC
Ampersand Publishers (the folks who print Military Miniatures in Review) published a book several years back, titled "Movers, Shakers, etc etc", sorry for the incomplete title, I have it at home. One of the projects was an AFV M88 with the MR interior. It was a good build that addressed the highs and lows of the resin interior and I believe some PE as well. Again, sorry but it's been a bit since I last read the book. You should still be able to find it at any of the hobby stockists.
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 10:15 PM UTC
Hi Jim,
I've had a look for the book with the information you've given but drawn a blank. Any more info would be really appreciated.
I look forward to hearing rom you soon, if possible.
Joe.
I've had a look for the book with the information you've given but drawn a blank. Any more info would be really appreciated.
I look forward to hearing rom you soon, if possible.
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 10:31 PM UTC
Hi Joe
I'll be interested to see how you get on with the build, I've got that model in my stash,
just have'nt got round to building it yet. I do have an idea though. I have an M109 that
got too near to the fireplace and melted on one side, long story, so I have had the idea of
having the 109 on it's side in a ditch, hides the melted bit, being recovered by the 88.
Have fun
Stuart
I'll be interested to see how you get on with the build, I've got that model in my stash,
just have'nt got round to building it yet. I do have an idea though. I have an M109 that
got too near to the fireplace and melted on one side, long story, so I have had the idea of
having the 109 on it's side in a ditch, hides the melted bit, being recovered by the 88.
Have fun
Stuart
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 02:36 AM UTC
Now that's not a bad idea, Stuart. I always hate to build a model & then "wreck" it. Something wrong with my subconscious, I guess! But you've got the perfect excuse!
I know that we are on the subject of ARV's- perhaps I need to see my shrink!
Apparently, the AFV Club M88 Vietnam version (#35011) is now pretty difficult to get hold of. Its now OOP. I think I've found one, though. In Belgium, in fact.
I'll keep everybody posted on the progress of it.
Joe.
I know that we are on the subject of ARV's- perhaps I need to see my shrink!
Apparently, the AFV Club M88 Vietnam version (#35011) is now pretty difficult to get hold of. Its now OOP. I think I've found one, though. In Belgium, in fact.
I'll keep everybody posted on the progress of it.
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 02:47 AM UTC
By the way, does anybody know where I can get the MR Modellbau M88 interior from?
Joe.
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 04:04 AM UTC
Quoted Text
By the way, does anybody know where I can get the MR Modellbau M88 interior from?
You can order it from their online shop :
http://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/index.php?cat=c113_US-Army.html
HTH
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 04:19 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Is the Eduard phot-etch specifically for KIT #35011 or is it the M88A1/M88A1G?
It's labeled as M88 but as there isn't much differance between the M88 and the A1 it doesn't matter. I would like to point out that with the 35011 kit there isn't much need for the PE set unless one want to really super detail the kit. The AFV Club is a very good kit OOTB and with the included PE head light guards and L-B-L tracks you pretty much got everything you need. You can see content of the Eduard set on ther home page.
Quoted Text
Why is the MR Modellbau interior a real dog? Is it not very accurate or is it difficult to construct?
From the top of my head: some parts not included, very tight fit, very unclear instructions. Someone else might here might have first hand experience with it?
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 04:43 AM UTC
Joe,
Did you know there's a Military Engineering campaign starting 1 June? Your M88 build would fit right in...
Tom
Did you know there's a Military Engineering campaign starting 1 June? Your M88 build would fit right in...
Tom
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 05:09 AM UTC
Try this link for a review of :
Modeler's Guide to Engineering and Recovery Vehicles
Part one: Tracked
It is a pretty good book and has a couple of M88s in it if I recall correctly. I'm at work so can't verify that!
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/books/allied-axis/mmir_erv.htm
I hope this helps!!
Modeler's Guide to Engineering and Recovery Vehicles
Part one: Tracked
It is a pretty good book and has a couple of M88s in it if I recall correctly. I'm at work so can't verify that!
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/books/allied-axis/mmir_erv.htm
I hope this helps!!
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 07:12 AM UTC
I have the 88 interior, it's a mess. The only parts I used were the floor, back wall, air cleaners and some smaller parts. I used the kit parts as templates to scratch build the rest. Most of the casting's were blobs of resin and some parts, like the tool box racks, were not included. The interior is very visible if you leave the hatches open. Even with the interior kit there is still a lot to add, gun racks, law racks, radios, commo cables, knobs and switches etc... Used it on the 88 below.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 07:15 AM UTC
Hello Joe, FYI , it was announced that Squadron is coming out with a M-88 book in their "Walk around" series. Al
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 07:53 AM UTC
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Hi Al,Hello Joe, FYI , it was announced that Squadron is coming out with a M-88 book in their "Walk around" series.
Yeah... I've got my eye on that book. Is it released yet?
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 07:57 AM UTC
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Hi James,I have the 88 interior, it's a mess. The only parts I used were the floor, back wall and air cleaners. I used the kit parts as templates to scratch build the rest. Most of the casting's were blobs of resin and some parts, like the tool box racks, were not included. The interior is very visible if you leave the hatches open. Evene with the interior kit there is still a lot to add, gun racks, law racks, commo cables, knobs and switches etc... Used it on the 88 below.
That really is a beautiful model!
Thanks for the interior info. Any chance of some more pics of the inside 'cos I want to model the kit with all doors & hatches open & have you got any good interior reference material?
Hopefully, I'll hear from you soon.
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 08:00 AM UTC
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Hi Tom,Joe,
Did you know there's a Military Engineering campaign starting 1 June? Your M88 build would fit right in...
Tom
I'm flattered! You know, if I can actually get the kit & all other bits & pieces I need I may well take you up on your offer. I'm not that good at this newish hobby yet, though. But keep me posted. Anymore info on the campaign?
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 08:02 AM UTC
Thanks also to Erik & Frenchy. I really appreiate your help, guys!!!
Keep it coming.
Joe.
Keep it coming.
Joe.
Kenaicop
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 08:03 AM UTC
Thanks Joe! I'll try and get some through-the-hatch pics for you, on my way out the door right now.
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Quoted Text
Quoted TextHi Al,Hello Joe, FYI , it was announced that Squadron is coming out with a M-88 book in their "Walk around" series.
Yeah... I've got my eye on that book. Is it released yet?
Joe.
If it hasn't been - it will be literally any day now.
Best wishes,
David Doyle
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:29 AM UTC
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Any chance of some more pics of the inside 'cos I want to model the kit with all doors & hatches open & have you got any good interior reference material?
There are some interior pics of the A1 version on Primeportal. Sorry I can't help you with the interior differences between the 2 versions
:http://www.primeportal.net/recovery/m88/m88a1_interior.htm
HTH
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:39 AM UTC
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Anymore info on the campaign?
Pop over to the Forums tab, and in the Campaigns section under Military Engineering you'll find what's been posted so far. To sign up go over to the Campaigns tab...
I've got an M88A1G in my stash that'll want an interior so this discussion is very useful to me, but from what I see here it'd have to be scratch built. If you can't find an OOP M88 kit can you backdate the M88A1 that is currently available? Might need replacement tracks PE etc though...
Tom
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 10:19 AM UTC
I'm still not sure why AFV Club stopped production on their M88 'Nam kit... I'm hopin' they'll re-pop that sucker as I'd like to build it again (after I finish the first one, of course! ) It was a truly fun kit to build...and no doubt will be more fun to finish.
As to AFV Club, of course, I'm still waiting for their long-announced LVTH-6 (and hoping against hope for an LVTE-5 and the once-promised M42 Duster)...or any other Vietnam-era subjects, of course.
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
) It was a truly fun kit to build...and no doubt will be more fun to finish.As to AFV Club, of course, I'm still waiting for their long-announced LVTH-6 (and hoping against hope for an LVTE-5 and the once-promised M42 Duster)...or any other Vietnam-era subjects, of course.
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:49 AM UTC
Ah Havoc, I should have known you'd be in this thread!!
The full title of the Ampersand book is "Modeler's Guide to Engineering and Recovery Vehicles, Part One: Tracked". It's dated 2001. There are two M88 projects, plus (amongst the others) an M578 VTR, using the Italeri M110 kit and the Verlinden M578 resin/EB conversion kit that was re-released last year. Hope this helps.
The full title of the Ampersand book is "Modeler's Guide to Engineering and Recovery Vehicles, Part One: Tracked". It's dated 2001. There are two M88 projects, plus (amongst the others) an M578 VTR, using the Italeri M110 kit and the Verlinden M578 resin/EB conversion kit that was re-released last year. Hope this helps.
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Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 04:56 AM UTC
Hi again, fellas,
Okay, I think I've hit a bit of a brick wall here. I seem to be drawing a blank trying to locate this kit.
Does anybody know where I can get one from? It's the AFV Club #35011 M88 Vietnam version kit. Does anybody have one in their stash that they might be persuaded to offload my way?
Any help would be appreciated, as always.
Joe.
Okay, I think I've hit a bit of a brick wall here. I seem to be drawing a blank trying to locate this kit.
Does anybody know where I can get one from? It's the AFV Club #35011 M88 Vietnam version kit. Does anybody have one in their stash that they might be persuaded to offload my way?
Any help would be appreciated, as always.
Joe.
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