_GOTOBOTTOM
Armor/AFV: Braille Scale
1/72 and 1/76 Scale Armor and AFVs.
Hosted by Darren Baker
Downhill Dilemma
Removed by original poster on 03/06/10 - 21:56:10 (GMT).
Hisham
Visit this Community
Al Qahirah, Egypt / لعربية
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 08:37 AM UTC
Damn, Sven... you sure are prolific

You really do great ground work. This one is looking interesting already

What is this 1/72 Staghound kit, by the way?

Hisham
mgdsign
Visit this Community
Skåne, Sweden
Joined: July 21, 2006
KitMaker: 686 posts
Armorama: 685 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 10:34 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Damn, Sven... you sure are prolific

You really do great ground work. This one is looking interesting already

What is this 1/72 Staghound kit, by the way?

Hisham



Thanks Hisham!!!

Hopefully it will be ok once done...

The kit is RPM's Staghound and it's pretty ok but there will be some
need for a few modifications I'm afraid...

Thanks for your comments Hisham!!!

Cheers

Sven-Åke
PanzerAlexander
Visit this Community
Attica, Greece / Ελλάδα
Joined: February 17, 2010
KitMaker: 625 posts
Armorama: 608 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 11:06 AM UTC
Excellent groundwork buddy!
mgdsign
Visit this Community
Skåne, Sweden
Joined: July 21, 2006
KitMaker: 686 posts
Armorama: 685 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 11:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Excellent groundwork buddy!



Thanks Alexander!!!

It was a quicky that turned out pretty good. I always wanted to do something
with height and this has been lurking in the back of my head for some time.

Cheers

Sven-Åke
mgdsign
Visit this Community
Skåne, Sweden
Joined: July 21, 2006
KitMaker: 686 posts
Armorama: 685 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 04:00 AM UTC
Due to the fact that my diorama "Downhill Dilemma" is concidered to be a
copy of the fantastic work of Gunnar Baeumer I have removed all the pics
and links to the work I've done so far...

According to the e-mail I recieved from mr. Baeumer it IS a copy and he is
very sad about it so I only do what is right...

I hope you all understand.

That's all from me and Happy modelling!!!

Best Regards

Sven-Åke
flipper21
Visit this Community
Delaware, United States
Joined: October 29, 2006
KitMaker: 268 posts
Armorama: 144 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 04:31 AM UTC
HI Sven-Ake, Why would Mr. Baeumer care if your Dio looked similar to his? Personally I'd be flattered..........Vince
CMOT
Staff MemberEditor-in-Chief
ARMORAMA
Visit this Community
England - South West, United Kingdom
Joined: May 14, 2006
KitMaker: 10,954 posts
Armorama: 8,571 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 04:36 AM UTC
As this is not the Mona Lisa I would have thought that "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" applies, and unless you try to pass your work off as Gunnar Baeumer work then its a case of no harm no foul.
freeguner
Joined: October 27, 2005
KitMaker: 151 posts
Armorama: 118 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 04:59 AM UTC
Hello,

Did you really copy his work? If yes, his works has a special "Copyright" or not?

mgdsign
Visit this Community
Skåne, Sweden
Joined: July 21, 2006
KitMaker: 686 posts
Armorama: 685 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 05:03 AM UTC
Nope, I saw it the first time when the link to his work was posted in the thread
I had posted my pictures of my diorama...
CMOT
Staff MemberEditor-in-Chief
ARMORAMA
Visit this Community
England - South West, United Kingdom
Joined: May 14, 2006
KitMaker: 10,954 posts
Armorama: 8,571 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 05:35 AM UTC
Özgür the Mona Lisa can be replicated by anyone down to the finest detail, and it is perfectly legal as long as you don't try to advertise it as the genuine article. You can even replicate the original signature again as long as you don't try to pass it off as the original. Sven carry on with your diorama.
mag135
Visit this Community
Madrid, Spain / España
Joined: July 08, 2006
KitMaker: 146 posts
Armorama: 128 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 05:47 AM UTC
I don't understand...i can't believe what I read. If anybody builds a scene with a sherman in a garage then I can't build a diorama with a sherman in a garage?
Javier
docdios
#036
Visit this Community
England - West Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: December 01, 2001
KitMaker: 1,998 posts
Armorama: 1,236 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 06:24 AM UTC
hi Sven

Can you send me a set of the pictures so that I can create a proper On Display feature of your work as it is what it fully deserves.

cheers

Keith
Uruk-Hai
Visit this Community
Stockholm, Sweden
Joined: January 31, 2003
KitMaker: 795 posts
Armorama: 472 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 08:14 AM UTC
Hi!

I think you are overreacting on this Sven-Åke.

I saw the post on Missing-Links and Im surprised that someone thinks you have copied it. It is simply not that original and I have seen the same layout before. It is not uncommon for ideas to develop individually or you both can have something unrelated that inspried you both to a similar idea.

I have no problem myself of borrwing an idea if I can make my own version, add something or even make it better.

Cheers
Uruk-Hai
Visit this Community
Stockholm, Sweden
Joined: January 31, 2003
KitMaker: 795 posts
Armorama: 472 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 08:20 AM UTC
And by the way, there is a new post on Missin-links.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/thread/1267645637/New+dio+started-+%26quot%3BIt+all+went+downhill+from+there...

I wish that post was mine as its so clever!

Cheers
Gorizont
Visit this Community
Sachsen, Germany
Joined: November 28, 2007
KitMaker: 1,462 posts
Armorama: 1,289 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 08:28 AM UTC
It´s always very sad to remove images because of "stealing ideas". (or not)
I think this will always be the case when someone is modelling WW2 scenes or some other well known and often used scenes!
That is unavoidable!

So a comparison would be a good choice to see differences and same parts.
Perhaps, this will help you both.

Ideas are often the same by different people!

greetings...
Soeren
freeguner
Joined: October 27, 2005
KitMaker: 151 posts
Armorama: 118 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 08:44 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Nope, I saw it the first time when the link to his work was posted in the thread
I had posted my pictures of my diorama...



Its funny. You even not see but copied. I dont understand this kind of claims.

Please post your work again. I am not an1/72 Fan but your works are really an "art"..
Hisham
Visit this Community
Al Qahirah, Egypt / لعربية
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 08:52 AM UTC
I think this Gunnar person is silly for claiming the right to a dio setting.

Can someone post a link to this Gunnar's dio in question so we can maybe understand his reasoning?

Sven, I hope you reconsider and just forget about this person's complaint.

Hisham
HeavyArty
Visit this Community
Florida, United States
Joined: May 16, 2002
KitMaker: 17,694 posts
Armorama: 13,742 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 08:52 AM UTC
I don't get it either. How can you be "copying" his dio and he be all upset and tell you to remove the images. He doesn't own a copyright on the idea. You are building a dio of what you want. Too bad if it is similar to his. I would politely tell this Gunnar guy to go F#*K himself.

Stand up for yourself and repost the images. What do you care what Gunnar thinks?
Uruk-Hai
Visit this Community
Stockholm, Sweden
Joined: January 31, 2003
KitMaker: 795 posts
Armorama: 472 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 09:08 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Can someone post a link to this Gunnar's dio in question so we can maybe understand his reasoning?
Hisham



There you go.
http://www.migproductionsforums.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7564&start=22
Hisham
Visit this Community
Al Qahirah, Egypt / لعربية
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 09:28 AM UTC
Thanks for posting the link, Janne.

I still don't think that doing the same general setting should be considered "copying".

Sven, repost the pics and forget about that guy's silliness.

Hisham
chnoone
Visit this Community
Armed Forces Europe, United States
Joined: January 01, 2009
KitMaker: 1,036 posts
Armorama: 1,033 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 10:28 AM UTC
Mankind is condemned to reinvent the wheel over and over again, so what‘s the news?
So I am asking myself if this is some kind of PR stunt, from a guy called Grunnar I have never heard of before nor seen anything.
My Dad use to say " Put your money were your mouth is !" so having had a glimpse of Sven‘s dio, I wonder were Gunnar‘s is hiding his ? Produce the body, or you don‘t have a case!
And Sven, please just put your pics back online and let other people grow up and have a life !

Cheer
Christopher
Plasticbattle
#003
Visit this Community
Donegal, Ireland
Joined: May 14, 2002
KitMaker: 9,763 posts
Armorama: 7,444 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 10:56 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I would politely tell this Gunnar guy to go F#*K himself.


I don´t think I could do that ... well not politely anyway.
I cannot understand the audacity of some people to claim that this is an original idea and it can´t be copied. How many downhill dios have I seen in the last few years? Which of these has been copied?

I had seen both .. before this happened ... and although I could see the similarity ... it never struck me for one second that it was copied.

It might be more to do with fear .... that a 1/72 similar dio can looks as good ... if not better.
Put up your images again Sven-Åke. You´ve every right to show "your" work.
Grumpyoldman
Staff MemberConsigliere
KITMAKER NETWORK
Visit this Community
Florida, United States
Joined: October 17, 2003
KitMaker: 15,338 posts
Armorama: 7,297 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 06:16 PM UTC
I'm just trying to figure out the logic here.
Does that mean no one can ever build another diorama or vignette featuring a vehicle, on a hill, with groundwork, ever again?
Maybe we need a "going downhill, featuring a vehicle, with groundwork, and with a beverage theme" for a new Campaign.
Hey how about one with "a vehicle going up hill, with groundwork and a beverage theme"?
Maybe we need to require one of those hard to find "British with a tea cup figures" or the equally rare and original "German pointing" figures.

Personally I'd repost my work just to p^SS a few others off, with a hearty kiss my ^SS attitude.
ChaosXVI
Visit this Community
Metro Manila, Philippines
Joined: October 24, 2009
KitMaker: 128 posts
Armorama: 126 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 09:08 PM UTC
Hey guys, I have an idea! Why don't we start a "DOWNHILL DIORAMA" CAMPAIGN?!
 _GOTOTOP