Friends,
I need your advice on one of my ideas :
On September 17 in 1944 operation "Market Garden" took place. This means that in 2004 it will be exactly 60 years ago since the largest airborne operation in history was executed.
I'd like to prepare a Campaign that is dedicated to operation "Market Garden" and I think it will be perfect to plan the Campaign in or around September 2004 to avoid an overfilled Campaign agenda (there will be more 60th anniversary events next year, that that may end up in Campaigns, so let's start planning). Maybe a closing date on September 17 (startdate of the actual operation) or September 26 (enddate of the actual operation) would be even better.
Some of my questions to you :
Do we want this Campaign ?
Who is interested in joining the Campaign in 2004 ?
Should we have a special subject or do we allow all scenes of the operation ?
Should we have a maximum base size, or should we stimulate bigger dio's ?
What should be the start- and enddate ?
Who can develop the Campaign ribbon ?
Do we keep the Campaign limited to dio's or do we also allow figures, vignettes, armor et. that are related to operation Market Garden ?
etc.
So let's start talking about this Campaign idea that I have. If you don't like the idea, can't find the time, have better ideas etc...... just be hounest. Give me some input to work with.
I'd like this to become something special as a tribute to those who joined the operation 60 years ago.
So, what do you think ? Please share your ideas and thought with me..... !!
Hosted by Darren Baker
2004 Campaign ? : Market Garden in Miniature

Eagle

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Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:12 PM UTC

MadMax

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Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:16 PM UTC
hmmm i think a AA-position would be a nice dio for that theme

slodder

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:16 AM UTC
Hmmmm let me think ... ok long enough. Yes
Eagle - you bet - Count me in. I think we should open it up to any subject related to the opreation so that all genre's (AFV, AC, Figures,etc) can participate. I think we should set Minimums for either Base Size or # of Figures and to have a requirement of at least a base of some kind to keep the diorama connection.
I'll throw in my hat to create a ribbon.
Eagle - you bet - Count me in. I think we should open it up to any subject related to the opreation so that all genre's (AFV, AC, Figures,etc) can participate. I think we should set Minimums for either Base Size or # of Figures and to have a requirement of at least a base of some kind to keep the diorama connection.
I'll throw in my hat to create a ribbon.

Marty

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:32 AM UTC
Eagle, a lot could happen in a year but count me in. I think this would be a great campaign. Personally I like the idea of this being a diorama campaign but if you decide to also include stand alone armor and figures that will be fine too.

laurie

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:43 AM UTC
hi Danny, Nice idea!! Operation market Garden took place in Holland so that's good, are you going to build it on your own or with other people?? I can't wait for the result!!!
Laurie
Amsterdam 2.40 pm
Laurie
Amsterdam 2.40 pm


skytrainboy

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:02 AM UTC
i think that is a really good idea and i will definely join the campaign and i think it should be open to everything not jus dio's


keenan

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:23 AM UTC
Count me right in. Have a Mobelwagon already and a whole year to get more stuff. Great idea, by the way.
Shaun
Shaun

GunTruck

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 03:41 AM UTC
I think having a modeling Campaign to celebrate the anniversary of a real Campaign is a very good idea. It would be a nice effort if all interested modelers could build something to participate.
Gunnie
Gunnie

mikeli125

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 04:59 AM UTC
sounds good count me in! :-)

zer0_co0l

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 05:10 AM UTC
I like the Idea count me in and I think that the ribbon should have a pegasus on it or something
I think a dio would do nice since this is "diorama talk"
but a figure would be good also
altough Im not that good in 120mm figures
I think a dio would do nice since this is "diorama talk"
but a figure would be good also
altough Im not that good in 120mm figures

bracomadar

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:28 AM UTC
Sounds great. There's a lot of other stuff that we could do to for the 60th anniversary next year too. My thoughts on the ribbon are it should be orange, for obvious reasons. Don't care what else is put on it, but I think the overall color should be orange

Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:31 AM UTC
Danny
I really like the idea for a Market garden campaign and with a year to think out some ideas I think I will have a go at this.
As far as the starting date of this campaign I think it`s rather fitting to start at the same date as the british paratroopers boarded their planes to go to their DC`s. For me that`s the true celebration of this event.
We could make a list of what exactly happened there and what choose of vehicles we have posting links on the subject can also be very valuable.
Plus the fact that this campaign is dealing in dutch history makes it quite interesting I think
Yep I really like this idea and I hope that a lot of suggestions will pop up in this thread
I really like the idea for a Market garden campaign and with a year to think out some ideas I think I will have a go at this.
As far as the starting date of this campaign I think it`s rather fitting to start at the same date as the british paratroopers boarded their planes to go to their DC`s. For me that`s the true celebration of this event.
We could make a list of what exactly happened there and what choose of vehicles we have posting links on the subject can also be very valuable.
Plus the fact that this campaign is dealing in dutch history makes it quite interesting I think
Yep I really like this idea and I hope that a lot of suggestions will pop up in this thread


laurie

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:26 AM UTC
Danny,
I realy like to model too but I'm now very buissy with another huge dio, If I join I let you know it as soon as possible
Laurie
I realy like to model too but I'm now very buissy with another huge dio, If I join I let you know it as soon as possible
Laurie


airwarrior

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:47 AM UTC
a liitle............early.............but sure that'd bwe cool!

Eagle

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:20 PM UTC
Well,
from the reactions that have been posted so far, I think I can say we can have a go at this.
Tell me, Should we have a "special subject" in the campaign, or can it be open for all ideas ? I was thinking that we could have a Campaign for all groups (Armour, Dio, Figs etc..), but with a special rule that the entry has to be based on an actual Market Garden event, scene, vehicle, figure etc.
To avoid misunderstandings in the diorama section, this Campaign is NOT about BIG diorama's alone. The rules, that will be posted at a later moment in time, will provide details about this, but it's NOT gonna be a BIG, BIGGER, BIGGEST Campaign. I for one just love the small vignettes and dioramas. So much emotion in such a small area....wonderful.
About the ribbon I agree that it has got to have a Pegasus, Wing, or whatever airborne related sign in it. Maybe you can start making some of those ribbons, so we can choose the best... (Slodder....... ?).
Too early to bring up this Campaign idea.... I don't think so. This early planning stages avoid multiple Campaigns running at the same time. Like I said, next year is gonna be a year with a lot of things that happened 60 years ago..... so who knows what Campaigns will come up with those 60 yrs celebrations / rememberings.
Thanks for all your comments and ideas so far. Please keep your thoughts comming !
NB : Last night I ran into this dio... it's all about Arnhem, where the 1st. British Airborne Brigade knew only too well that they went a bridge too far. I just want to share this with you.
More pics about this dio at :
"Defending Swords" - Arnheim, September 1944
from the reactions that have been posted so far, I think I can say we can have a go at this.
Tell me, Should we have a "special subject" in the campaign, or can it be open for all ideas ? I was thinking that we could have a Campaign for all groups (Armour, Dio, Figs etc..), but with a special rule that the entry has to be based on an actual Market Garden event, scene, vehicle, figure etc.
To avoid misunderstandings in the diorama section, this Campaign is NOT about BIG diorama's alone. The rules, that will be posted at a later moment in time, will provide details about this, but it's NOT gonna be a BIG, BIGGER, BIGGEST Campaign. I for one just love the small vignettes and dioramas. So much emotion in such a small area....wonderful.
About the ribbon I agree that it has got to have a Pegasus, Wing, or whatever airborne related sign in it. Maybe you can start making some of those ribbons, so we can choose the best... (Slodder....... ?).
Too early to bring up this Campaign idea.... I don't think so. This early planning stages avoid multiple Campaigns running at the same time. Like I said, next year is gonna be a year with a lot of things that happened 60 years ago..... so who knows what Campaigns will come up with those 60 yrs celebrations / rememberings.
Thanks for all your comments and ideas so far. Please keep your thoughts comming !
NB : Last night I ran into this dio... it's all about Arnhem, where the 1st. British Airborne Brigade knew only too well that they went a bridge too far. I just want to share this with you.

More pics about this dio at :
"Defending Swords" - Arnheim, September 1944

Golikell

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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:53 PM UTC
Hi Eagle,
Me thinks it is a great Idea,Though I usually have a lot of ideas, but building: If only...!
Still, I would like to participate. I you take the whole operation of Market-Garden, the scope will be quite broad! US paratrooper, Brittish Advance from the belian border......, need to go on?
It will be quite intersting what people come up with. I've got a couple of nice books 'bout this campaign, so ideas won't be a problem!
Me thinks it is a great Idea,Though I usually have a lot of ideas, but building: If only...!
Still, I would like to participate. I you take the whole operation of Market-Garden, the scope will be quite broad! US paratrooper, Brittish Advance from the belian border......, need to go on?
It will be quite intersting what people come up with. I've got a couple of nice books 'bout this campaign, so ideas won't be a problem!

REMEARMR

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Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:59 PM UTC
yea count me in to!
Since this is such along way ahead and will give us plenty of time to prepare,how about using the operation dates as the start and finish? Sept 17-26. Or do people think this is too short a time. It would certainly make it interesting.
Cheers
Robbo
Since this is such along way ahead and will give us plenty of time to prepare,how about using the operation dates as the start and finish? Sept 17-26. Or do people think this is too short a time. It would certainly make it interesting.
Cheers
Robbo


penkala

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Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:22 PM UTC
Hi eagle nice idea! count me in
!!....and because this operation was all about bridges should'nt we involve these bridges in the campaign?


mikeli125

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Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:01 PM UTC
why dont we do campaigns along the 44-45 time scale finishing with battle for berlin or metting at the po river :-)

penkala

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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 03:13 AM UTC
That will be a LOT of dioramas


jimbrae

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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 05:11 AM UTC
An excellent suggestion for a campaign. Just a couple of points though, firstly can we get it firmed-up soon and secondly can it be narrowed down a little bit in case it turns into a german-armor fest....Sorry guys, you know I'm only half-kidding....Jim


blaster76

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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 05:33 PM UTC
Sounds great. dio's, vehicles, aircraft, figures. that way everybody can play

Jambone

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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 11:14 AM UTC
I should be set up by then! Grad school will be over and I'll have all summer..matter of fact...I think I better scope out some kits now....
If it's my first campaign, I think it will be a great one....
count me in!
Ken B
North Texas
If it's my first campaign, I think it will be a great one....
count me in!
Ken B
North Texas


Eagle

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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:38 AM UTC
Some pretty good ideas come up overe here ! I'll keep them all in mind !
This is a splendid idea, but I don't know if it could be done....most of the MG Bridges are quite large, not to say enormous.... But the idea is excellent. I'll think it over !
We'll be in touch.
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Hi eagle nice idea! count me in !!....and because this operation was all about bridges should'nt we involve these bridges in the campaign?
This is a splendid idea, but I don't know if it could be done....most of the MG Bridges are quite large, not to say enormous.... But the idea is excellent. I'll think it over !
We'll be in touch.
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