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What goes with German 15cm Field Howitzer?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hi, Jan-Kees, I understand fully what you're saying. Shipping is an issue for us here when it comes to European-made products. The Asian dealers ship at very affordable prices which probably have very little to do with them and are determined by macro-economic factors like currency rates, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I have used some Eduard sets for aircraft, and they bring more detailing to more numbers of kits than anyone else and usually at good prices. But for armor, I find Aber superior, with Voyager a close second and Griffon in a class by itself.

I have not had a chance to look at the Voyager set you received, but ordered two for the Sd.Kfz.7s I have in the stash. Another thing you might want to get is the Archer set of dials, since the DML kits do not provide decals for the instrument panel-- another wretched oversight IMO.

I'm pleased you ordered the Toadman CD. I think you'll be very happy with it.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 07:39 AM UTC
In case you need one, here's a dio idea (to make good use of reference stuff and AM sets ) :



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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 08:20 AM UTC
That's one skeletal Sd.Kfz.7, Frenchy!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 09:55 AM UTC
Oh, oh, I see a second and new project coming for the Sd.Kfz.7 with this new photo of Frenchy. Thank you!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 10:11 AM UTC

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Hi, Jan-Kees, I understand fully what you're saying. Shipping is an issue for us here when it comes to European-made products. The Asian dealers ship at very affordable prices which probably have very little to do with them and are determined by macro-economic factors like currency rates, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I have used some Eduard sets for aircraft, and they bring more detailing to more numbers of kits than anyone else and usually at good prices. But for armor, I find Aber superior, with Voyager a close second and Griffon in a class by itself.

I have not had a chance to look at the Voyager set you received, but ordered two for the Sd.Kfz.7s I have in the stash. Another thing you might want to get is the Archer set of dials, since the DML kits do not provide decals for the instrument panel-- another wretched oversight IMO.

I'm pleased you ordered the Toadman CD. I think you'll be very happy with it.


Hi Bill!

We have the same problem with shipping from the US. Prices are low because of the strong euro against the dollar, but the price difference is gone after paying taxes and shipping costs. Something you can be lucky when the douane doesn't charge anything because they didn't look into the package. But even in Europe shipping costs vary a lot. Until now shop are very reliable. There are more issues with delivery times. Shipments from Germany and Austria are pretty quick, but from the eastern-europian countries take for ever.

The Voyager set of the Sd.Kfz.7 looks very nice, but feeling the brass gives me the idea that it's very thick. Surely after the Eduard stuff. But being brass I have to try to solder it. I bought a soldering station this spring and I'm quite happy with it doing boxes etc. with it. And I found a product called Gator's Grip Acrylic hobby glue which does a great job with PE. Do you know this? So, depending on the subject I'm using CA Gel, Gator or solder. A nice set of tools.

Tomorrow I will order the Archer decal set. Then I must be ready for the big challenge!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 10:39 AM UTC

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I found a product called Gator's Grip Acrylic hobby glue which does a great job with PE. Do you know this? So, depending on the subject I'm using CA Gel, Gator or solder. A nice set of tools.

Yes, Kenny makes a very nice product. It is much stronger for lateral "torque" than CA glue, but dries more slowly, so you need time for it to work.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 10:56 PM UTC
Hi Bill,

I really like the glue. It works very well. Did you see the new update set from Voyage (PEA219 1/35 WWII German Sd.Kfz.7 Road canvas covered head lens)? Link: http://www.voyagermodel.com/productlist.asp?itemid=PEA219
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Posted: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 05:36 AM UTC
Hi, Jan-Kees,

That is a nice addition, though I wish Voyager would put out a resin set with the side-panels for the canvas top. These were somewhat common in Winter weather, even if they did not keep the interior WARM, LOL.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 09:11 AM UTC
Hi Bill,

Maybe they can make gloves and long underwear in resin too
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Posted: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 09:31 AM UTC

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Hi Bill,

Maybe they can make gloves and long underwear in resin too

Well, the good news is there are plenty of Ostfront German figures in padded clothing!
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Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2017 - 11:39 PM UTC
Hi everyone after 7 years.

I have the same question as this topic, what goes with German 15cm s.FH 18 Field Howitzer?

On the internet is commonly seen pictures where Sdkfz 7 pulls gun. So is there any other German vehicle strong enough for this kind of work?

I have Mercedes L4500 Maultier for Flak 88, Famo Sdkfz 9 with Sd.Ah 116, so I want something different for my 150 mm s.FH 18.

Why? Sdkfz 7 is small brother from Sdkfz 9.
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 12:16 AM UTC
SWS tractor would be different. That would work too
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 02:43 PM UTC
SWS gepanzert and s.FH 18 will be nice couple.
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 05:31 AM UTC
Try horses.

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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 09:03 PM UTC

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Try horses.



Only motorized units.
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 09:24 PM UTC
If you go back to the first page of this very informative thread,you will find all kinds of suggestions and ideas. The type 7 was the official towing vehicle of the 150mm and the type9 and SWs were way too big to be used to tow it.
At the end of the war though,almost anything goes. I have some clear pics from Arnhem showing a civilian Opel Blitz commandeered by the Germans towing a 150mm Haubitz.!!!
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 10:05 PM UTC

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If you go back to the first page of this very informative thread,you will find all kinds of suggestions and ideas. The type 7 was the official towing vehicle of the 150mm and the type9 and SWs were way too big to be used to tow it.
At the end of the war though,almost anything goes. I have some clear pics from Arnhem showing a civilian Opel Blitz commandeered by the Germans towing a 150mm Haubitz.!!!
J


A minor quibble. The SWS is one weight class down from, and substantially smaller and less powerful than, the 8ton sdkfz 7. It certainly isn't too powerful for the sFh-18.
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 10:11 PM UTC

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Try horses.



The horses in the picture are towing the 10.5cm light field howitzer. It's the 8 ton halftacks that are towing the 15cm heavy field howitzers.
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 10:19 PM UTC
I have this two pictures of SWS gepanzerte towing Flak 88 and Pak 43. So it is possible to tow 150 mm howitzer. Flak 88 is 7,4 tons, Pak 43 4,4 tons, s.FH 150 mm howitzer 5,5 tons. If SWS can tow Flak 88 it can howitzer.

Isn't Opel Blitz to weak for howitzer???





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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 02:09 AM UTC

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The horses in the picture are towing the 10.5cm light field howitzer. It's the 8 ton halftacks that are towing the 15cm heavy field howitzers.

That's true, but I don't know that horses weren't used to tow bigger guns, especially in the Early War campaigns. After all, the Wehrmacht had only 10 Panzer divisions for the France campaign. IIRC much of their artillery was horse-drawn.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 03:48 AM UTC

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The horses in the picture are towing the 10.5cm light field howitzer. It's the 8 ton halftacks that are towing the 15cm heavy field howitzers.

That's true, but I don't know that horses weren't used to tow bigger guns, especially in the Early War campaigns. After all, the Wehrmacht had only 10 Panzer divisions for the France campaign. IIRC much of their artillery was horse-drawn.


They were, specifically for the 15cm howitzer. In fact the German army thought the gun was too cumbersome for horse and developed a lightened version that could be pulled by fewer horses. But it didn't go into production due to the start of the war.
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