Well, I think the poses are good for a doomed 6th army scene. Didn't know that much about the Blue Division until now and found it interesting.
I'll probably pick up a set if under US15.(just because no one's pointing!)
So, what's next? African Colonial volonteers in Normandy? Make sure they have the rediculously ill fitting BDU's on 'em like I have seen in period photos.
Were they just down the beach from the Georgians?
Anyway, please send more US armored troops in ride poses. Italians of any campaign, dress, and pose. Same with Sikhs and Ghurkas. Yes. I have the set with optional heads- how about some more?
Soap box collapsed, gotta go glue some more.
Cheers!

This set seems to have generated an awful lot of debate for what is basically a "diorama in a box" set of German uniformed figures. The only thing that marks them out in any way as Spanish is the arm shield on figure. As someone else commented, it would have been better if they were to be specifically Spanish to have them in normal service dress. As it is they will be a useful set for a winter diorama, Spanish or not.
As regards the politics, well it's not really surprising that these men were regarded as heroes long after the war, after all Franco's regime was the only Fascist dictatorship that survived WW2. Even in the '70s ex-SS men were still welcome in Spain. Leon Degrelle the Belgian Rexist attended his daughters wedding in the full uniform of an SS Standartenfuhrer in 1973 (I think). How would these men have been treated if the Germans had won WW2?
On the other hand, Stalin's regime was, if anything, worse than Hitler's. Stalin manufactured a famine in the Ukraine, the "breadbasket" of the USSR which resulted in at least a million deaths. Hundreds of thousands of Kalmucks were sent to Siberia for resisting collectivisation. Has Russia owned up to Katyn Wood yet? I can't remember. Russia sat in judgement on the Nazis because they won, not because they were the good guys!
Perhaps Spain just needs a little longer to get over Fascism. After all, I'm sure you could find Russians who thought things were better under Communism, and the old joke about Mussolini was that at least he got Italian trains running on time (he also curbed the power of the Mafia, work that was undone by the US government, not something that is common knowledge)!

My point is there is a history forum on Armorama where unit histories can be discussed and there is now a thread open on this subject

DRAGON "Blue Division: my personal opinion


I'm interested in history as my bookshelves can testify and I'm certainly not apolitical but I still don't think a modelling forum is the place to discuss politics.




The crimes of one dictator can't really be measured against the crimes of another otherwise it just becomes a numbers game.

More "German's" ...... Patch or no patch on the arm .........

Great

Atanasio, the SS soldiers who murdered civilians sometimes "gave their life for something they believed in."

There is a saying: being on the wrong side of history.

It's pretty evident those who embraced Fascism were on the wrong side of history. Communism, too. But there's no evidence that the Spanish Blue Division was comprised of heroes, or that we should applaud them for what they did.

You see? this is what happens when you bring politics into a modelling forum

Man, is this getting out of hand or what. We model history as it happens or what if's for pleasure. What is all this nonsence about who did or didn't do this or that. It's begining to sound like a bunch of local polititions arguing for thier pet projects and complaining when they don't get thier way. Though I am a builder of dio's it does not mean I support all that I build. I build history on a 3-d canvas. It's history, which means it is in the past. Are we still arguing the civil war here or the rights and wrongs of mankind. Someone should grow up and keep personal thoughts personal. I have personal feelings about history, but they stay where they belong. If a set of figures/model or story offends me, I wont build it. As I said in an earlier post on these figures, they are not for me, though, they are nice and the posses are nice. So what! Someone will like them enough to buy and build them. So what! Does that mean the builder takes the side or the political side of the plastic figures or model. Naybe, maybe not. Who really cares one way or the other. You want to get on a soap box and chear or condem the actions of people over a plastic model. Come on dude, there is more important things in life to worry about than complain about some plastic model. If you are feeling that strong about a past action, then start a campaign in real life to right what you consider a wrong or bring attention to the world. This site is about modeling, not politics. My life would be alot nicer if I did not have to deal with them, but we do; but not here. Here, we talk about building miniture stuff and things that go with the art form we use. We will never all agree on any subject, but as Grandma used to say; there is a time and place for everything. And this is not the place for politics. If it was, then we would have to break down the site to pro and nay builds. We would end up with a site that has areas for pro Nazi and anti nazi builds, pro liberty and anti-liberty builds. Stupid idea in my mind. Let's get back to modeling here and keep the soap box talk where it belongs. Begining to sound like I'm on a soap box now so I'm done.

Really guys. Just ignore him. Why is everyon egetting upset? He is a troll. His first post is to come on and insult everyone so he gets responses.

Ignore it and this almost year-old post will fall off the radar again. It turned into a pissing contest then and doesn't need to again.

Mmmmmm who cares!!!!!!!!

Nice box of figures and red, yellow and red help to add a bit of colour

That post really didn't need to be here so it disappeared...but good to see the news of these figures reappear for those that may have missed it the first go around

On that note....here is my review of the set from last year for anyone that would like to see it that didn't get a chance to before.

Dragon German “Blue Division” Spanish Volunteers, Eastern Front 1942-43

Thanks,
Randy

PS. I didn't mean for this to look like a shameless plug for my review!! LOL

Nice figures!

If you don't like to buy them... fine but who cares?... Simply don't buy them...

There were times when a modeller would have done anything in order to get such a fine figure set... Nowadays everybody rails against too many Germans, too many blah and too many blah blah...

I've actually got it in my stash, one figure is sitting in my WIP pile hahaha. Their poses are pretty good, I would've liked them in summer clothes though.

I'm not tired of German figures yet They're about %90 of my figures.

Joey, i might have escaped your notice, but I haven't actually been on Armorama for around 6 months. When this News Report was written, I was in charge of News, and inevitably, with full editorial powers. If I chose o make an editorial comment, that, was my right, by the same token, it was everyone else's right to disagree with my viewpoint. That is what editors do.

My personal view is that as a figure set it was well-executed. The imagination that went into it, somewhat lacking.

Where, geting personal for a moment, does YOUR right to insult me come from?

Joey calling Jim R that is not on, you are entitled to an opinion but that is not acceptable. What I cannot figure out is why a news thread from 2 years ago is banging again!

Well said, Darren. Old news, let's move on.