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jimbrae
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 11:30 PM UTC
Dragon Models have just announced another Axis figure release in 1/35th scale. Oh dear, not another, I hear some of you groan. This, though, is a little on the unusual side...
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jagd654
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Posted: Monday, February 14, 2011 - 11:50 PM UTC
Hi Jim 
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I believe the artwork/figure poses are derived from a colour plate in the Osprey Man-At-Arms series on the "Blue Division". The poses, uniforms, weapons, etc. match to a "T"
! Cool set, though 
. Cheers !
Kenneth.
,I believe the artwork/figure poses are derived from a colour plate in the Osprey Man-At-Arms series on the "Blue Division". The poses, uniforms, weapons, etc. match to a "T"
! Cool set, though . Cheers !Kenneth.
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 12:16 AM UTC
Johan Fohlin (Nordic Edge) has just completed a vignette with this scene. It was indeed inspired by the Osprey artwork. See Johan´s model on Little Norway Here .
Will be interesting to see how he feels about this release. Wonder how long Dragon have had this set in progress?
Will be interesting to see how he feels about this release. Wonder how long Dragon have had this set in progress?
CMOT
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 12:35 AM UTC
I think this is one of the most appealing figure offerings from DML in some time.
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 12:48 AM UTC
Hi
I like this set and can see it as a great diorama "out the box" as they say.
As to Frank's comments to be honest I can't see him having any complaints really He based his idea on the book jacket , but his is not exactly the same, and to be fair to Dragon the illustration isn't exactly the same either but you'll note both illustrations, the book ones and the boxart for Dragon have been done by the same artist. His signature bottom left.
Nice set and could easily be used for other settings not just the "Blue Division"
I just hope the actual plastic figures match the detail and quality shown in the computer generated models shown in the poster.
Alan
I like this set and can see it as a great diorama "out the box" as they say.
As to Frank's comments to be honest I can't see him having any complaints really He based his idea on the book jacket , but his is not exactly the same, and to be fair to Dragon the illustration isn't exactly the same either but you'll note both illustrations, the book ones and the boxart for Dragon have been done by the same artist. His signature bottom left.
Nice set and could easily be used for other settings not just the "Blue Division"
I just hope the actual plastic figures match the detail and quality shown in the computer generated models shown in the poster.
Alan
Spuds
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 12:52 AM UTC
Want something unusual, try the 442nd RCT. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot. They weren't German. Probably wouldn't sell. 
Kinggeorges
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 01:07 AM UTC
Hi,
Yes I do remember this very nice vignette from Johan, very well executed.
Could it be that this Dragon's trend to release only german subject, and many time the hardline (mostly ss, either German or foreign volunteers), linked to the current fashion in asia to venerate nazis stuff ?
Just my 2 cents
Julien
Yes I do remember this very nice vignette from Johan, very well executed.
Could it be that this Dragon's trend to release only german subject, and many time the hardline (mostly ss, either German or foreign volunteers), linked to the current fashion in asia to venerate nazis stuff ?
Just my 2 cents
Julien
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 02:17 AM UTC
Excellent set. One of the more useful for some time from Dragon. They would work very well in an Urban setting as well.
I believe they can quite easily be converted to represent other volunteer divisions as well. French, Danish, Belgian etc.
Frank, thanks for sharing the link. Great little viginette.
I believe they can quite easily be converted to represent other volunteer divisions as well. French, Danish, Belgian etc.
Frank, thanks for sharing the link. Great little viginette.
retiredbee2
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 02:47 AM UTC
Oh wow, what a surprise, more Germans, or in this case, wanna be Germans. Did Americans fight in WW II , or am I imagining things ? Could anybody please send us some decent American tankers to go with US tanks armored cars and SP guns ????? 
And what about WW I stuff ? Imagine the many possibilities if they would just start producing stuff from that era.
And what about WW I stuff ? Imagine the many possibilities if they would just start producing stuff from that era. alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 03:00 AM UTC
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Oh wow, what a surprise, more Germans. Did Americans fight in WW II , or am I imagining things ? Could anybody please send us some decent American tankers to go with US tanks armored cars and SP guns ?????
If you want resin then you'll find Alpine do a few and they have two new US tankers in the pipeline. See work in progress here from the artist painting the boxart figures
Here
Alternatively, look out for Miniarts new set.
To be honest it's Dragon, so what do you expect. Just look for the other figure makers to get what you need.
Alan
retiredbee2
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 03:07 AM UTC
I understand that if you look hard enough and are willing to pay a thousand dollars for a figure, you might find US tankers etc. What I am looking for is mainstream figures at affordable prices. They have no problem producing yet another batch of Germans. Are they out of imagination or just to lazy to do anything new ?......................................Al
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 03:20 AM UTC
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I understand that if you look hard enough and are willing to pay a thousand dollars for a figure, you might find US tankers etc. What I am looking for is mainstream figures at affordable prices. They have no problem producing yet another batch of Germans. Are they out of imagination or just to lazy to do anything new ?......................................Al
Hi Al
I guess as its their money in developing and producing a set they are free to do what they want.
In doing so they sell loads and make lots of money so not only are they happy but also running a profitable business, which one must assume that's what they are in business to do.
You don't have to look very hard or pay a thousand dollars to get a US tanker figure. Sure in the scheme of things German subjects out number most of the others but they (US tankers etc) are out there for reasonable prices both plastic and resin. All it takes is some searching from the warmth and comfort of your computer chair.
Alan
retiredbee2
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 03:26 AM UTC
Allan.....I understand that it is about money, but they could try something new and might be surprised at the positive outcome. No guts , no glory...................Al
Spuds
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 03:30 AM UTC
Alan, thanks for the link to the "pipeline" figures from Alpine. However, while welcome, those figures are basically the same as some of their other sets, 2 tankers standing and looking, just wearing different clothes. I have to agree with Al. There are allied halftarcks, SP guns, and loads of tanks out now, and a pre-WWII line of vehicles coming from Commanders. There are very few readily adaptable figures or figure sets for those. Even though it's possible to reposition heads, arms, legs, etc of existing sets, I really don't want to spend more time on the figures than I would on the vehicle the figures support. I guess ours is the same old argument, there's a suffocating, clogging gut of one and merely a trace of the other.
jimbrae
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 03:38 AM UTC
Well, it ISN'T a set of Germans. 
Secondly, I don't really see anything negative at all in this set (apart from the subject matter which is another matter entirely) - poses are good. the Gen2 Equipment is superlative etc. etc.
As Alan pointed out DML are free to produce what they think is appropriate. It fits in perfectly with many of their existing releases. Other manufacturers are doing sterling work with Allied (MiniArt & Masterbox) DML are doing what they do best - Axis.
Secondly, I don't really see anything negative at all in this set (apart from the subject matter which is another matter entirely) - poses are good. the Gen2 Equipment is superlative etc. etc.
As Alan pointed out DML are free to produce what they think is appropriate. It fits in perfectly with many of their existing releases. Other manufacturers are doing sterling work with Allied (MiniArt & Masterbox) DML are doing what they do best - Axis.
retiredbee2
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 03:49 AM UTC
OK,,,,,,so it's Spaniards dressed up like Germans. Wanna be Germans ..........Whatever. Lets see if Master box , Dragon, Tamiya, Or Italeri, the mainstream companies and not the aftermarket guys, come up with something truely new and surprising....................Al
dioman13
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:07 AM UTC
Though not of interest to me personaly, it is a nice set. The mix of clothing and equipment is a nice idea And the posses are pretty good also. They will fit nicely into a dio or vignette for those who do axis stuff.
Spuds
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:12 AM UTC
Jim, no argument here with what you said. Not bashing DML (heck, I have all their US stuff). Just wishing I had more of a choice in my chosen modeling area. Of coures, with the economy the way it is, seeing another set of Germans or their conscripts just means I won't have to spend money right now. 
jimbrae
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:25 AM UTC
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Whatever. Lets see if Master box , Dragon, Tamiya, Or Italeri, the mainstream companies and not the aftermarket guys, come up with something truely new and surprising
Tamiya is not a company which would have me holding my breath over them doing anything innovative - or more than adding a few new bits seems well beyond them...
bydand
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:35 AM UTC
Thanks Frank, I knew I'd seen these figures before and it's been bugging me since I saw this release.
Craig
Craig
Chilihead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:42 AM UTC
Though, is a little on the unusual side... not really!
A German is a German! regardless what the title is, they are still Germans!
Have a German of a day!
Mrosko
A German is a German! regardless what the title is, they are still Germans!
Have a German of a day!
Mrosko
retiredbee2
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:47 AM UTC
You are killing me Jim...........AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! You are right about Tamiya and I do like Dragon.............................................Al..........
jimbrae
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:50 AM UTC
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Though, is a little on the unusual side... not really!
A German is a German! regardless what the title is, they are still Germans!
Have a German of a day!
Very profound....
KOMIX6
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 05:29 AM UTC
They are only volunteers who swear allegiance to Adolf Hitler and had ban the use of the Spanish language.Commanders are always by germans.So they are still Germans.
jimbrae
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 05:55 AM UTC
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They are only volunteers who swear allegiance to Adolf Hitler and had ban the use of the Spanish language.Commanders are always by germans.So they are still Germans.
Politeness indicates that I should nor really comment on the glaring inaccuracies in your reply. Let me though reply as diplomatically as possible.
1) The Division was commanded by a Spanish General although when attached to an Army Group THEN they were under German control
2) I've seen some extracts from divisional reports of the D.A. and they were all written in Spanish. Spanish wasn't banned within the Division.
Rather than the 'heroic' fighters against Bolshevism as some of the more revisionist historians like to portray the D.A., frankly they were a pretty nasty bunch. I've got evidence that several (post 1943) actually volunteed to serve as guards in various Concentration camps - including Auschwitz.
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