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Trumpeter 1/35 T-64A first look
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Posted: Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 08:38 PM UTC

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Dear Mr. Trumpeter,
now that you finally bring a T-64 made with up-do-date technology so please do a T-90 also! Zvezda does not seem to do it...



Hi Bernd, Zvezda´s T-90 is planned for a release later in this year. (3. /4. quarter)
A russian writer said, it should be available in november in russia.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 01:53 AM UTC

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I know this is a bit off topic but you posted a picture of a BTR-80 a while back. Any updates on that?



BTR-80 in tooling, maby I could show you the photos soon



FANTASTIC! Music to my ears !
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 02:16 AM UTC

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Dear Mr. Trumpeter,
now that you finally bring a T-64 made with up-do-date technology so please do a T-90 also! Zvezda does not seem to do it...



Hi Bernd, Zvezda´s T-90 is planned for a release later in this year. (3. /4. quarter)
A russian writer said, it should be available in november in russia.

greetings...
Soeren




... it SHOULD....


Joking aside, despict they are russian almost all their russian tanks are wrong and made with a poor quality
I'd prefere a Trumpeter tool

cheers
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 03:56 AM UTC
Gaoyue,

Thanks but i saw the SP resin kit have some erior on the hull too, we made the handmaster for some versions of T-64s

I put the pictures up so you could look them over, to make sure details are not being missed. With the production of the T-64 spanning 25 years, I am sure there are a few detail differences in the lower hull, and no I do not know what they might be.

With the chronology as follows:

1963: production of T-64 with 115mm main gun
~1967: after 600th T-64 production, T-64A production begins, with 125mm main gun.
1976: Production of T-64B

Between 1977 and 1981 almost all T-64 (initial) were rebuilt to T-64R which made them similar to the T-64A except they still retained the 115mm main gun.

I can see with all that, maybe some small changes to the lower hull may have taken place.

Also, SP Designs parts are made to improve SKIF kits. I would like to help see that the Trumpeter kit comes out much better than anything on the market, including SP Designs and Miniarm.
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 04:02 AM UTC
Hey, Jamal.. I certainly don't mind being a pain in the butt pest.. if it makes them do the BTR-152

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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 04:15 AM UTC

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Joking aside, despict they are russian almost all their russian tanks are wrong and made with a poor quality
I'd prefere a Trumpeter tool
cheers



Mauro, if you mean the T-72/-80, BMP-1/-2, and BTR´s... you´re right.
But: These kits were NOT developed by Zvezda!

The original ones were made by Dragon in the 1990´s. (some of them in the beginning of this decade!)
Also Revell used these old molds from Dragon.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 05:10 AM UTC

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Dear Mr. Trumpeter,
now that you finally bring a T-64 made with up-do-date technology so please do a T-90 also! Zvezda does not seem to do it...



Hi Bernd, Zvezda´s T-90 is planned for a release later in this year. (3. /4. quarter)
A russian writer said, it should be available in november in russia.

greetings...
Soeren


Yeah, unfortunately we've been hearing variations of this for 7 years!

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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 05:28 AM UTC

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How is it on par with the T62 Scott. ?

Please Explain



The Trumpeter T-62 are just ok (at least to me), but the biggest thing that bugged me about them was the lack of weld lines on rear hull and other parts of the kit. There where a couple other minor (or not so minor depending on your view point) issues also with the kits.

Overall, nothing too terrible, just would have been much better if they had the weld lines on the kit. From what I can see from the photos of the T-64 posted, it seems like they are going down the same road with it...but it is FAR better then the SKIF T-64 kits that are out there.

As another example, I think the Trumpeter BMP-3 has far better fine detail then the T-62 they did...so I know they can do it.

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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 06:30 AM UTC

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Joking aside, despict they are russian almost all their russian tanks are wrong and made with a poor quality
I'd prefere a Trumpeter tool
cheers



Mauro, if you mean the T-72/-80, BMP-1/-2, and BTR´s... you´re right.
But: These kits were NOT developed by Zvezda!

The original ones were made by Dragon in the 1990´s. (some of them in the beginning of this decade!)
Also Revell used these old molds from Dragon.

greetings...
Soeren



Yes I' ve already known Soeren, but why don't they develope a kit series based on theirs references? After all they're russian so it wouldn't be so difficult collecting drawing and pics to do a decent kit? Why they still sale those "cold war era" kits based on rough intelligence data?
Regarding the fact that those kit are not made by Zvezda. Also theirs T-34 and Ba-10 have poor quality and correctness issues...
That's puzzling me!
Furthermore, they have promised the T-90 for ages but they haven't produced it yet. In my humble opinion that's an unreliable behavior

Anyway, that's an off topic. I just hope that Trumpeter could make a good T-90 in a reasonable time


cheers
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 07:00 AM UTC

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Dear Mr. Trumpeter,
now that you finally bring a T-64 made with up-do-date technology so please do a T-90 also! Zvezda does not seem to do it...



Hi Bernd, Zvezda´s T-90 is planned for a release later in this year. (3. /4. quarter)
A russian writer said, it should be available in november in russia.

greetings...
Soeren




Maybe you're right about that. Another question is: will it be new tooling or the old and poor T-72 kit from Zvezda itself with a few new parts?
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 11:25 AM UTC
Heres my off topic, but might catch some interest:

Trumpeter loves to do both unique vehicles AND mobile Artillery.

So, MAYBE, they could look at possibly doing the SOUTH AFRICAN G-6 system ? Im just saying, but I think it would be eye-catching in the MODERN Armor area.

Long overdue & overlooked.
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 04:27 PM UTC
Try to keep it on topic...?

1. Zvezda needs $$$ and a LOT of hope in selling anything newly tooled. Easier to sell reboxed Dragon kits that are worlds better than anything they used to have in former USSR. Slowly they will work up to it as the buying population looks for better models.

2. Scott et all, if you want to see a better T-64, now is the time to make SPECIFIC commentary, like, putting weld lines around the pieces that were welded to the hull...and changing the shape of the turret as it is too sharp right now, and showing it with pictures. General comments will probably not help.

3. Inquiries to, and pleadings, should go in another thread. I want to see a G6 too, but I also want to see this T-64 thread help make a better T-64 kit.

If Trumpeter NEEDS ANY HELP I hope they ask us so we can provide it to them...hint hint.
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 06:47 PM UTC

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Maybe you're right about that. Another question is: will it be new tooling or the old and poor T-72 kit from Zvezda itself with a few new parts?



Hmm, the "old and poor" quality Zvezda T-72 was made by Dragon in the 1990´s.
But the russian writer said in an other topic, that the new T-90 will be a complete new kit.
Let´s hope that.


Jacques, you´re right.
Yes, I also would help for new kits.


greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 07:11 PM UTC

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Maybe you're right about that. Another question is: will it be new tooling or the old and poor T-72 kit from Zvezda itself with a few new parts?



Hmm, the "old and poor" quality Zvezda T-72 was made by Dragon in the 1990´s.
But the russian writer said in an other topic, that the new T-90 will be a complete new kit.
Let´s hope that.


Jacques, you´re right.
Yes, I also would help for new kits.


greetings...
Soeren



Yes, we strongly hope so.
And now let's focus on that new T-64

cheers

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Posted: Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 03:14 AM UTC
Well simply put it is wonderful to see the T64 so far along, right down to the tracks. Well done Trumpeter. Thank you Gayoue. Next step lets see the box art and TOSS THE SKIF. In the mean time, await the BTR60K in a month or so. Its a good year.
Cheers, Doug.
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Posted: Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 07:29 PM UTC
various T64A turrets. so many possibilities!




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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 02:38 AM UTC
Looks Great!
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 02:52 AM UTC
Some of the turrets in the pics shown above have "edges" that look like the one GAOYUE showed in the pics (not rounded up smoothly).. so, maybe the one Trumpeter made is not wrong after all.

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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 06:50 AM UTC
I think this would show one of my main "know your russian armor" point....make sure you are looking at what you think you are looking at. Russian pieces, especially in museums, have a nasty habit of being pre-production models or Obj. prototypes, not actual field used production models. Even the photo with the ERA brackets may only show a prototype vehicle refitted as a concept. I do not know for sure, but the best shots to go from are usually field maneuvers and garrison photos. The bottom black and white shot looks like a fielded tank, not sure though.

I really want to see Trumpeter do a good job on these tanks, so please post more info on details needed and discussion, like on the turret edge. This can only help the Trumpeter team make it better or more accurate.
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 12:03 PM UTC
T-64 hull drawing dowloaded from here





Pics from my HD downloaded from the net
T-64s (and t-72s) in a tank graveyard in Russia























About soft turret edges...








I hope this will be useful. i regret that they aren't high res pictures

You could find other pics here:
http://stepandstep.ru/catalog/your-tape/129257/kladbische-tankov-v-kieve.html



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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 01:55 PM UTC
Great series of photos Mauro. Thanks for posting.

Roy
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 05:40 PM UTC
It looks nicer than my AEF Designs T-64A !!