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M17 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:10 AM UTC
A few pics of my conversion of the DML M16 MGMC. This is the International Harvester M17 MGMC, exclusively used by the Soviets during WW2.









Any comments and questions are welcome
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:26 AM UTC
Roy

Looks great!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:48 AM UTC
Nice work. I actually did not know the Soviets received M16's at all...interesting. Do you know how many were sent or if they have a combat history?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:58 AM UTC
Hi Jacques: The Soviets were not sent the M16 (made by White, Autocar and Diamond T). Instead they were sent the M17 (by International Harvester). They were the exclusive recipients of this vehicle -- I don't know how many were made. They definitely saw lots of combat.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 12:42 PM UTC

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Hi Jacques: The Soviets were not sent the M16 (made by White, Autocar and Diamond T).




Neither Autocar nor Diamond T ever manufactured any M16's...

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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 01:17 PM UTC

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Hi Jacques: The Soviets were not sent the M16 (made by White, Autocar and Diamond T).




Neither Autocar nor Diamond T ever manufactured any M16's...



According to Hunnicutt
The M5, M5A1, and M9A1 Halfttracks were classified as Substitue Standard and were allocated to international aid under lend lease. Theses were produced by IHC as was the M17
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 01:21 PM UTC
Very nice model Roy.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 01:26 PM UTC

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Hi Jacques: The Soviets were not sent the M16 (made by White, Autocar and Diamond T).




Neither Autocar nor Diamond T ever manufactured any M16's...



According to Hunnicutt
The M5, M5A1, and M9A1 Halfttracks were classified as Substitue Standard and were allocated to international aid under lend lease. Theses were produced by IHC as was the M17



Err, yeah but what does that have to do with the M16 not being built by Autocar or Diamond T?

Perhaps you didn't mean to quote me?


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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 01:37 PM UTC
Correct my bad
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 01:40 PM UTC
No worries.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 05:00 AM UTC

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Instead they were sent the M17 (by International Harvester). They were the exclusive recipients of this vehicle -- I don't know how many were made.



According to this document :
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/documents/files/Part_3A_pages_1-26.pdf

1,000 M17s were sent to the USSR under Lend-Lease.

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 05:00 AM UTC
Thnx for the correction Ken. I bundled together too many manufacturers when citing the M16.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 06:13 AM UTC
Soviet M-17s in combat - Danzig (Polish Gdansk), march 1945:

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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 08:11 AM UTC
Roy-- another nice piece of work. Where did you get the front tires?
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 12:00 PM UTC
The resin chained tires are from (now defunct?) Kendall Models or KMC.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 02:46 PM UTC
Nice model Roy. Glad to see others share my love of the odd halftrack variations.

DJ...Tank Workshop also makes tires with chains for the Dragon and Tamiya halftracks. They can be found at this link.

http://www.tankworkshop.com/Shop/agora.cgi?cart_id=903.6886&next=60&exact_match=on&product=Tank+Workshop&user4=American

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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 02:20 AM UTC
Beautiful work!!!!
One question:
Besides the obvious (I mean the large box in the rear and maybe the different shape of the fenders) , what are the differences, between the White M-16 and the IH M-17??
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 04:08 AM UTC

The main differences between the White, Autocar and Diamond T half-tracks to the IHC ones are as follows:

1) IHC rounded rear corners
2) IHC Flat pressed fenders
3) IHC had jerry can mounts higher
4) IHC doors had lower corner clipped versus the squared one of the others
5) IHC armored windscreen and upper door armor with shutters on the inner face
6) IHC has different dashboard
7) IHC has deeper battery box
8) IHC body has mostly welded seams vs. the many bolted ones of the others
9) IHC has larger front tires
10) IHC has "banjo" type front differential
11) IHC windscreen side posts are wider than others
12) IHC has different antenna mount
13) IHC hood mounted bullet deflector is further back
14) IHC head lights completely different
15) IHC has bumperettes

M17 differences:
16) Floor locker configuration different for M14/M17 than for M13/M16
17) Folding armor had different locking mechanisms
18) Rear bulkhead had different configuration of stowage boxes and pail

Feel free to ask any questions. The model is going to be the subject of a magazine article as well




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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 10:32 PM UTC
wow... sounds like a lot of work...
that makes it even nicer...
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 11:40 PM UTC
I'll keep this short. A very cool/rare build. Looks like it was fun.
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