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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 08:06 PM UTC

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part 7, that's a q-tip stretched over a candle, and cut in the middle. Cut the cotton ends off, then you got 2 mini funnels.



Saw this Tip on your page Brian and I intended to try it out soon. Like I said I've bookmarked your page to refer back to it next time I try to solder.

I'm beginning to think that maybe there should be a sticky topic in the Tools Forum on soldering so everyone can put in their little tidbits. I've picked up some good pointers just from the input here and this was a thread on a DVD release that may or may not be bad advice.

Cheers, John
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 01:07 AM UTC

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part 7, that's a q-tip stretched over a candle, and cut in the middle. Cut the cotton ends off, then you got 2 mini funnels.



Saw this Tip on your page Brian and I intended to try it out soon. Like I said I've bookmarked your page to refer back to it next time I try to solder.

I'm beginning to think that maybe there should be a sticky topic in the Tools Forum on soldering so everyone can put in their little tidbits. I've picked up some good pointers just from the input here and this was a thread on a DVD release that may or may not be bad advice.

Cheers, John



@Brain: I like that Q-tip "tip"! I can see how that could easily work like a quil pen and be used to lay down a line of CA vice just small drops for long linear glue joints.

@John: In regards to electrical rosin core solder and flux - I'd suggest that you also use a flux (either paste or liquid) and not depend on the rosin core to ensure good flow. I only mentioned the rosin core solder above because it's easy to source when compared to the more specialty solders.

You might have some luck finding other solders on-line and expanding your search to include "jewelry," "jewler's" and "metalsmithing supplies." The're only so much that the supply houses for the construction (trades) industry will carry. Here's a quick find just searching for "low temp solder":

Shore International

I should imagine that someone on your side of the world offers similar supplies for jewelery makers, jewelers, and craft / artist metalsmiths.

I've never used any of the "paste solders" that combine the solder and flux into one compound, so I can't offer any advice or opinions on those.

Finally, in regards to the "Hold 'n Fold," I don't know of any set of instructions or tips that has been compiled to offer step-by-step in making various folds or bends.

I started using PE back in the '80's when "On the Mark Models" came out with the first widely available sets for armor models. At that time, bending tools consisted of metal rulers, flat nose pliars, tweezers and bending jigs hand-ground out of of K&S brass stock. So, when Mission Models released their original Etch-Mate, I'd pretty much "cracked the code" on bending PE and was really just happy to have a tool that simplified clean, long bends for fenders, etc.

I'd submit that the "Hold 'n Fold's" main advantages over the "Etch Mate" (at least IMO) are its very fine bending edges, either the hollow-ground edges or the sharp angled edges. Both of these shapes allow bending beyond 90 degrees. (The "Etch Mate" is still nice for 90 degree bends since its bending edges give you something to bend against.) This allows the "Hold 'n Fold" to make shallow "U" bends where the "Etch Mate" cannot.

Also, use the "Hold 'n Fold's" capability to clamp along its "open" edges and ends and not just over the bending "table." This allows you to make "Z" folds by first making the "L" on one side / end of the part, then allowing the leg of the "L" to hang off the open edge to fold up or down for the second leg of the "Z."

I'd also suggest that the smaller "fingers" are best for bending smaller parts as they give you more visibility, control, and room for your bending tools and levers.

One disadvantage that the "hold 'n Fold" has when compared to the "Etch Mate" is the lack of a "fulcrum" groove along the clamping line. This groove allows the bending lever / tool (usually a razor blade) to forcefully bend against the clamp edge to make sharpe, tight bends. With the "Hold 'n Fold," you must subtitute lateral force from your hands to compensate. On the other hand. I've found that this groove on the "Etch Mate" prevents the clamping of many very small PE parts which will fall into it. So, neither tool is perfect, IMO, but the "Hold 'n Fold" is generally more useful for more folding tasks.

In the end, you really just have to experiment and "mentally pre-bend" most of your PE parts. Also, realize that the bending tool is only one of many tools that you have available, so if there's some simpler, faster, or easier way to bend a part, don't stubornly stick with the bending tool just because.

HTH,
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 01:28 AM UTC

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massive bs from people who can't say one word related to the topic?
Model, don't BS. Learn your place, troll!





Thank you Brian for providing the dictionary definition of what I was referring to. That answer illustrates it perfectly
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 03:22 AM UTC
Guys please knock it off as the tit for tat serves no one. Brian has made his opinion known and he is entitled to that opinion just as is everyone else is entitled to theirs. Controversy does I suspect generate publicity but does not make for good reading and as such I request we all stick to the related topic.
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 03:48 AM UTC
Fair enough Darren, I'll say no more.
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Posted: Friday, September 30, 2011 - 02:58 AM UTC
All we have here in Egypt are regular solder irons... if I do manage to buy a torch off the net, I won't be able to get the butane gas because they can't ship it.. so, can I use the refill canisters that are used to refill those small BIC lighters? Because those are sold here in Egypt.. is it the same type of gas? And does a torch have s similar refill nozzle as the BIC lighters?

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Posted: Friday, September 30, 2011 - 03:50 AM UTC

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All we have here in Egypt are regular solder irons... if I do manage to buy a torch off the net, I won't be able to get the butane gas because they can't ship it.. so, can I use the refill canisters that are used to refill those small BIC lighters? Because those are sold here in Egypt.. is it the same type of gas? And does a torch have s similar refill nozzle as the BIC lighters?

Hisham



@Hisham:

Here're some pictures of the micro-torch and fuel that I'm using. I believe that the Butane fuel bottles are a universal design, and IIRC from my time in Cairo, the Ronson brand is commonly available. The filling method is the same for the micro-torch as it is for a re-fillable cigarette lighter, too.







There may be some discussion here about the best Butane fuel types. What I've shown here, and what I'm sure that Brian would also recommend, is an "industrial" type or grade of Butane. But if you have no choice, then you must use what's locally available.

I'm not really sure that the "industrial" type is much different from the ordinary type used to re-fill cigarette lighters, though. Having said that, I've never used one of the more common brands like Ronson, so I think you might have to experiment a bit to find the best burning locally-available kind in your area.

If you can get a micro-torch to use and work with, though, I think you'll find that you will never want to go back to using an electric soldering iron.

Good luck!

@Brian: Yea, you're 100% right about that single knob on the Etch Mate. I was actually struggling with mine yesterday for that exact reason. I was making some long, but very thin folds (the outter edges of my Panther side fenders, as it was), and the Etch Mate was not holding the PE part evenly along its entire length.

I believe that it originally had a very slight up-camber in the center of the clamp that provided some "crush" when tightened by the single, center knob. However, over the years of use, mine has lost that and now I have trouble holding long, very thin parts on their long axis without them trying to slide under the clamp on one end of the other.

The Hold 'n Fold is definitely a better engineered and designed tool. I'll probably get their longest version in the near future to replace my old Etch Mate.

I definitely would recommend any of the Small Shop (KPM) Hold 'n Fold tools over the Mission Models Etch Mates to anyone looking for a bending tool right now. (And in fact, I have done so with several guys in our AMPS club since we started our latest group-build featuring the AM-Works PE sets!)

Cheers,
Hisham
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Posted: Friday, September 30, 2011 - 09:35 AM UTC
I was looking at these two.. (Can't buy from e-bay because of PayPal)

http://www.micromark.com/Pen-Size-Mini-Torch,7065.html

http://www.micromark.com/Micro-Torch,8096.html

Are they good for PE work?

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Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 01:27 AM UTC
Hi Jim,


Any more word on this DVD being released?

Cheers,

John
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Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 01:47 AM UTC
I ordered it from Historex Agents a week ago and I expect to receive it any day now.. I'll let you know what I think of it when I watch it.

http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=AW1PAL

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Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 01:54 AM UTC
Thanks Hisham,

I'll keep an eye out for your update.

Cheers, John
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Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 03:33 AM UTC
I am glad i missed the start of this conversation! Things seem to have calmed down now

this DVD is pretty good - the techniques shown on it and the detail pied to the work is impressive - i think anyone can learn some good tips from it - here is the review i did of it - i liked it

link
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Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 03:52 AM UTC
In the next day or two i'll be publishing a full Review of the DVD here and I must say that it is a very high-quality product indeed.

No, it doesn't cater to the 'needs' of the Uber-Modeler but rather to the average Joe who doesn't fancy mortgaging the kids to buy hi-tech soldering gear or create a factory in their basement.

It's full, on the other hand of a product which we don't see enough of - common sense...
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Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 01:08 PM UTC
Thanks for the input everyone.

Adam: A very good review which has me positively thinking about getting a copy. I was so impressed by your review that I've bookmarked your blog.

Jim: Looking forward to your review. In Adams review he mentioned its format (PAL, NTSC) but could you investigate the Zoning on the DVD i.e. is it multi?

Cheers, John
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Posted: Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 06:11 AM UTC
Thanks John! I meant what i said in it - its a really helpful DVD and well presented

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Posted: Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 06:26 AM UTC
Wilder are releasing the DVD in no less than five versions:

English Language NTSC (avalable)
English Language PAL (avalable)
German Language (avalable)
Japanese Language (will be ready shortly)
Russian Language (avalable)
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Posted: Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 06:55 AM UTC
The Review:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/6994
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