Armor/AFV: What If?
For those who like to build hypothetical or alternate history versions of armor/AFVs.
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My "Twilight Zone" Panther
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Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 08:09 PM UTC
Thx callmehobbes!
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Posted: Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 06:26 AM UTC
Now, the thoma brackets on the hull!
Nothing is paste (is it the right word?)





Brackets are difficult to build and to design them with correct dimensions and angles...
I made an wip thoma with aluminium sheet and mesh. I used cyano to paste them. I'm not satisfied about result so I'll resume later another one with brass .

As you can see, Friulmodel tracks are mount.
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Posted: Friday, April 27, 2012 - 05:24 AM UTC
Now the result, the brackets fixed to the hull.

As you cas see, I made mudgards along the hull. I haven't put the front mudgard to show that it' was destroy. I have build a rack for jerricans, don't forget that I want to place my panther in North Africa.
Because of that, I must put another devices to other places. Tracks supports, piece of wood etc...











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Posted: Friday, April 27, 2012 - 05:49 AM UTC
Great work on the home made Schurzen hangers,

(note to self, learn to solder etch, it works fsr better than glue)
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Posted: Friday, April 27, 2012 - 07:42 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Great work on the home made Schurzen hangers,

(note to self, learn to solder etch, it works fsr better than glue)


Extra-thin ca glue works very well.
I see, now, why you can't use the fenders. BTW, "paste"="glue".
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Posted: Friday, April 27, 2012 - 08:45 AM UTC
tkx Anthony!

Solder is stronger than glue and we can modify many time without damaging differents parts.
The solder paint help me, it's a great product.
And learn to solder, this is practice makes perfect. All parts of my panther are the firt parts I welded, I've never weld before, then, it's not so difficult.

cool for the vocabulary Matt
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 04:30 AM UTC
3 small uggly pictures of one of the supports of IR devices.

As you cas see, 5 tiny parts for a tiny result... Once again, I use the CAARS, very useful here. Must do not weld a place for it to be desoldered next ... With tin, it's very strong reported on the size to the parts. Given the size of parts, it is difficult to get a better finish.







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Posted: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 - 09:49 PM UTC
Now, the schurzen!

I have not managed to produce the parts in which I hoped to achieve but I think not succeed to do better but here's the result. As usually, I take a sheet brass of 0.2mm. Different parts are soldering in the thickness. It is very fragile but the grating (not sure about the right word..) will consolidate it later. For the large bracket; I adapted and "invented" the system of real panzer 4. The small parts in U-shaped and small parts behind the Thoma. All parts are not very nice ...
To make nicer parts, I should use HM photo-etched but it's too expensive and too difficult to do.

pictures!!!!!!!!!








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Posted: Friday, May 04, 2012 - 10:01 PM UTC
hello to all on Saturday morning!


I bought a drilled mesh from Royal Brass Model to finish my Thoma. This is as thick as the classic PE and it is especially weldable.
In the photos, you can see the result of all the drilled mesh on the hull. I did not do it all of theme. On the right side, I have'nt put all thoma to show that the hull received a projectile. At the rear, I did not put to admire my rack jerry. Left flank side, I did not put the thoma eo show the tube.





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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2012 - 01:42 AM UTC
We approche of the end friends, since a week I've worked on my remote control machine gun. I'll show the building in few steps. Here the first!
I've used an MG42. I've made a mix with the remote control of the Hetzer/stug and the IR device which equiped least panther G and 251.
The MG of the hezter/stug:
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/remotemg/fig3_panzer_mg_interior.jpg
the IR device:
http://www.blitz72.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/panther-FG-1250-600x450.jpg
For the IR device, I bought that:
http://militarymodels.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/100_8518.jpg
My big problem was to make a bracket to put all parts on the turret. The only way, improvise!!
I wanted too make a support to put a support for a ammo box. As usually, I used brass! Very difficult to solder these 5 very small parts...
The pictures!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2012 - 10:14 PM UTC
yop

I've worked about the bracket 10h... I had to solder parts very fast to avoid to desolder others parts around. You can imagine I have not succeeded and I had to try several times
very boring and demotiving! The CAARS helps me happily.
My little presentation of this small set. I just changed what I did previously. I put the Patrokasten (ammo box) in his basket without the cover. I've removed the light because this does not suit me and the evergreen part was not realist. Instead, I put a bracket supported by two small triangular braces underneath. The MG42 will be here. The small U-shaped part is the guide of the ammunition belt with a small U-shaped part to prevent it wanders too much during his fast scrolling when shooting. The U-shaped piece at the back will be the support of light.
The small set that you see is made up of 15 parts.

I am desperate for quality macro pictures and finish parts. Fortunately, there will be painting and we will not see the panther ready to also





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Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012 - 09:41 PM UTC
I finally finished, I just have to finish the Patrokasten with cover etc. and put a belt of ammunition. I'll stick the lens when it's all painted. In addition to the main frame of my previous post, I added a plate to carry it all parts. I mounted the light with its box and bezel. The white part in Evergreen represents the output of the periscope. I put together a small box that the cables entering the tank. New accounting of the number of parts out Patrokasten: 36 that will need to use the ammo belt and the two lenses!

here are the pictures, sorry for quality ...









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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 05:31 AM UTC
I completed the MG by adding the ammunition belt and patrokasten and I put everything in position on the turret.
I put the photos also mounting the panther over!
The two IR systems are not stuck, I think the paint aside. I set up a single tow rope (not the photos) I would put on the left side.
the pictures!








Also my latest additions, comments when you have to change I could bring? And your opinion? Finally anyway?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 05:37 AM UTC
I like it! Do you know what paint scheme you are going with?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:19 AM UTC
Frederic,

Well done! Your brass work is impressive; I'm looking forward to seeing more progress.

thanks.

Kevin
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 08:26 AM UTC
P***** j'adore.
So cool project. Outstanding PE SKILLS

Now the paint job
Good luck

Seb
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:12 AM UTC
Frederic: very nice gun mount!!

Happy Modeling, -zon
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 10:08 PM UTC
Retiredyank,Elcapitan, Seb43 and Zontar --> thank you!

Seb43 -> ho un français sur ARMORAMA!

For the color sheme, I think use colors like that with
modification:

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I will not do that exactly. No sharp edge and probably only two colors. Just Dunkelgelb and brown for example.
No sharp edge because it's too difficult to put tape or maskol with all brackets etc... I'll use for the first time a airbrush so I hope do a good paint. I think I do weathering, chipping, filters,oils... and pigments for the first time.
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Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 02:24 AM UTC
Just to make you wait, I set up the jerry cans that I put in their rack. I would paint in order to have jerry cans of fuel and water.



I added a tow rope





Finally, I made a firing mechanism of the MG42. I took the principle of a system based on cable in a duct that connects my little box where the cables are already connected the IR system. A bit like a bicycle brake control. I put a piece of plastic to represent the party which actuates the trigger. I could imagine a system based Lafette rods like the look, but too complicated to do.

MG, sorry for the quality of the picture...


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Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 06:02 AM UTC
Very impressive scratch work!
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Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 06:31 AM UTC
thanks Scott!
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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 11:04 PM UTC
I have a problem with the beginning of paint so I decided to make a figurine.



Some time ago, I bought this kit from Masterbox for a sfkfz 222. But it didn't know to use them with the 222 or with my Panther.



I have no inspiration regarding the dio take place where the panther. I therefore decided to do something simple and I got a figurine in resin Tank:



But I haven't managed to put it in the cupolla as I wanted.
So I resolved to make a cocktail!

Mais je ne vois pas comment l'utiliser avec le panther, je n'ai pas d'inspiration en ce qui concerne le dio où prendra place le panther.
J'ai donc pris le parti de faire quelque chose de simple et je me suis procuré une figurine en résine de chez Tank:


So I took the figurine torso with arms from the center of the picture with binoculars. Finally, I took the head of the Tank Fig. I found it original and the fact that we can neither see the face or eyes suits me well! But I wanted to do a little more original than the tanker looking through binoculars.

I have this result, nothing is finished.




What do you think?