The kit's not finalised yet, but the layout of the Tiger itself is final, so I think it's safe to say that "raised step" will be covered by ammunition boxes and fuel tanks when everything is assembled.
On the other hand, why are there 6 magnets for 8 wheels?
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2013 - 05:57 AM UTC
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The kit's not finalised yet, but the layout of the Tiger itself is final, so I think it's safe to say that "raised step" will be covered by ammunition boxes and fuel tanks when everything is assembled.
On the other hand, why are there 6 magnets for 8 wheels?
David
Hello,
Its clear that not all the wheels will have the magnet suspension and some will be frozen in place, so thats why the step does not extend all the way to the front of the hull.
The step will be a massive headache when it comes to oil lubrication line installation to the torsion bars.
On the basis of this not being the final product I will hold fire but its safe to say at the moment there are a few inaccuracies and missing items.
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2013 - 07:01 AM UTC
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The kit's not finalised yet, but the layout of the Tiger itself is final, so I think it's safe to say that "raised step" will be covered by ammunition boxes and fuel tanks when everything is assembled.
On the other hand, why are there 6 magnets for 8 wheels?
David
Six magnets reflect realistic attention to detail. Anybody worth his salt knows there never was any version with eight. Otherwise, you'd be treading in paper panzer territory.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 09:21 AM UTC
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On accuracy : As David mentioned it's a work in progress and MFH have shown a willingness to go back and redo stuff. They corrected the CAD image of the turret ring within 24 hrs and have gone back to the drawing board on the hull.
People like to criticise but give them a chance to at least correct errors. We usually commend manufacturers willing to take on board feedback and make changes along the way ( if MFH don't and leave the hull as it is then criticise away, but at least give them the benfit of the doubt until we see the final product )
I said that early on. Well now this is apparently finished, the instructions are printed and I'm off two minds. There's a lot of really nice bits there but despite being advised of the inaccuracies in various parts early on they've made no changes and it looks like those inaccuracies will remain.
I'm in no way a Tiger I expert so there's probably a lot I've missed but to me at least it's still 99% correct so it's still a nice little kit ... BUT ... if I have to do some major reworking of he back plate and still have to fix the exhaust lids and add all the wiring and stuff anyway ( and I don't like the simplified front fender catches or the missing jib boom holes at the front ) then I figure I'm going to pass.
I might wait and see what the price of the interior on its own is otherwise it's DML kit, Friul tracks, CMK interior and evergreen helper for me.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 05:50 PM UTC
I just had a a credit card charge come through so its shipping soon
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 07:21 PM UTC
I'm surprised to see the instructions because this is far from finished. Will they really omit the crew's MP40 and the gun's travel lock?
David
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 07:33 PM UTC
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Quoted TextAt the same time you do have to compromise accuracy on an internal build because references are incomplete or missing. One of the primary resources of Tiger 1 information is the Bovington Tiger an early vehicle, this is of very limited use if you are building a Late Tiger 1 as I am.
I wish I could get into the French Tiger, I have some good images from my collegues on this forum but even then they are not complete.
If the kit makers have had access to the Samour Tiger then this kit will be an important reference work.
I have to disagree with your comment on compromising accuracy, Steven. That might be true if you were talking about a kit that costs $30-$50, the Academy kit you mentioned being an excellent example (all things being relative, that amount could be considered a substantial financial outlay for some folks). But, when some company wants $500 of my hard earned money for a product being shilled as the ultimate of its type, it damned well better be the ultimate in every way, accuracy being the foremost justification.
The same could be said for AM products which make similar claims. I've had less than satisfactory experiences with interior sets for Tiger I's, II's and Panthers and ended up 86'ing the lot because the products were utter crap. I have to say that the Dub-Dub-Dub has provided those of us interested in replicating accurate models with opportunities unavailable twenty years ago. If the average schmo is able to transform a chickens**t kit into chicken steak using published and online resources, why do big shot kit manufacturers have a difficult time in doing the same? This should be even more the case with "boutique" companies which produce super expensive limited run items. If you're promising to send me Kate Upton,
I don't want to see Maria Ouspenskaya
standing at the door when I open it.
Re the French Tiger, Rob Veenendaal's Panzer Basics web page offers a two DVD set of photos (2100, to be exact ) of both the Tiger I and KT located at Saumur. There are interior and exterior shots for both vehicles. The KT photos, in particular, have been of immeasurable assistance to anyone tackling the inaccuracies and omissions of the 1/16 Trumpeter pig, myself included. The staff at Saumur extended all kinds of courtesies to Rob by allowing him unfettered access to these vehicles; so, it wouldn't have been impossible for for the researchers at Model Hiro to receive the same treatment.
Joesph I have to admit didnt really read the text but seem somehow overwhelming convinced by the photographic evidence...
more Kate Cupcake please
best Mark
oh I saw this a while ago - its surely just a marketing gimmick for sure "ULTIMATE TIGER" some are going to get reeled in hook line and sinker... because that's advertising for ya! It will have market appeal for sure maybe in Asian market - I mean what is the advantage of casting stuff in white metal nowadays - it just raises the cost?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 08:27 PM UTC
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I'm surprised to see the instructions because this is far from finished. Will they really omit the crew's MP40 and the gun's travel lock?
David
Hello David,
The inclusion of the instructions would seem to indicate that the model is now well into the production phase and what you see in the images is probably what you will get with the model.
The kit is certainly the best Tiger 1 interior available at the moment and surpasses the Verlinden Kit from what I am seeing.
However as my research from building my own Tiger illustrates that the interior has accuracy problems but I will wait until someone posts images of a production kit before listing them.
I do think its strange that they used White Metal rather than resin, how are you expected to glue two bits of metal together securly when they are as heavy as these will be? The metal cannot be soldered.
S
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 10:17 PM UTC
It also looks like they're planning to leave the muzzle brake with the 16 pointy trenches in it for rifling. If they can stick passable rifling in a $10 RB barrel how hard can it be.
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Posted: Friday, March 01, 2013 - 03:00 PM UTC
got mine, frustrated they forgot instructions so I cant check all the parts arrggh
its heavy I'm surprised the hull and turret sides are resin and the rest is mostly metal
its heavy I'm surprised the hull and turret sides are resin and the rest is mostly metal
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Posted: Friday, March 01, 2013 - 10:18 PM UTC
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got mine, frustrated they forgot instructions so I cant check all the parts arrggh
its heavy I'm surprised the hull and turret sides are resin and the rest is mostly metal
Please post some pic's !
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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 - 01:03 PM UTC
some trouble posting pics, but the MFH website shots are accurate, I don't know how this will fall together, I've spent 4 evenings sorting parts, it appears I'm missing 2, I'm sure they'll send me replacements. The instructions are mostly straightforward but a little vague on the fact that there are some things that are done on both sides not just one. I don't have any decal or painting guide, but there are alot of references out there. The kit has some parts optional for regular or command tiger. The kit appears well engineered and will build up into a true museum piece, I have only one real critique which is that if the entire kit is mostly white metal then why arent the main body and turret side walls metal too. I would worry with all the weight that the resin would in time warp, although it seems sturdy and well cast resin always seems to carry that risk
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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 - 01:20 PM UTC
lets see if this pic works