I really love the M6, planned to scratchbuild it but never had the time. I won't pre-order one, though! These Black Label kits are $70 a piece and I didn't buy the first two. I'll wait to see the in depth reviews of the Dragon M6 kit, and if it's a third dog, then the excellent Commander Models M6A1 kit, at $189, will be less then the 3 Black Plague kits and I will gladly purchase the Commander Models kit!
Who also make a kick ass M103, by the way.
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M-6 Heavy Tank Who Is Buying It?
SSGToms
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 - 04:38 PM UTC
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 - 04:49 PM UTC
Well, I dunno how kicka** this kit is (I just did a quick Scalemates search), but OKB Grigorov makes/made a resin 1/72 M103A2... And Commander Models makes a resin 1/35 M103 that just requires AFV Club track #35005... But again, I only searched them up, don't know how kicka** they are...
But I digress to let other members get back on track.
But I digress to let other members get back on track.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 - 09:32 PM UTC
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I really love the M6, planned to scratchbuild it but never had the time. I won't pre-order one, though! These Black Label kits are $70 a piece and I didn't buy the first two. I'll wait to see the in depth reviews of the Dragon M6 kit, and if it's a third dog, then the excellent Commander Models M6A1 kit, at $189, will be less then the 3 Black Plague kits and I will gladly purchase the Commander Models kit!
Who also make a kick ass M103, by the way.
I LOVE THE "BLACK PLAGUE" MONICKER!!! Given the fact that the BLACK PLAGUE 103 kits are found wanting, I'll hold off on buying an M6A1. I'm "In Process" of building my "Evolution of US Armor & Softskins" collection, so I'll be busy with other projects, anyway. 
DRAGON would do much better for themselves if they concentrated on fixing their flawed older kits, rather than producing new kits with such disappointing errors in detail and poor engineering. I would rather wait a long time for a great kit from DRAGON, rather than get a junker soon after the initial announcement.
As I'm a modeller with 56 years of experience, replacing, fixing and modifying errors in model kits doesn't bother me very much. But in this day of plentiful information, CAD and Slide-Molding technology, modellers shouldn't have to put up with these kinds of haphazard engineering errors and poorly executed kits that DRAGON is trying to foist upon us!
What is it? Why is it that DRAGON can pull off some pretty darn good German WWII armor, yet still manage to screw up anything US or Allied..? I've been chided by other modellers on this site for pointing out this fact.Maybe it's time for DRAGON to move some of their German Armor engineers into their US/Allied department!!!
I can see why a lot of us are holding off on buying the new DRAGON M6A1 until after the build-reviews hit the scene...
210cav
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 01:21 AM UTC
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I really love the M6, planned to scratchbuild it but never had the time. I won't pre-order one, though! These Black Label kits are $70 a piece and I didn't buy the first two. I'll wait to see the in depth reviews of the Dragon M6 kit, and if it's a third dog, then the excellent Commander Models M6A1 kit, at $189, will be less then the 3 Black Plague kits and I will gladly purchase the Commander Models kit!
Who also make a kick ass M103, by the way.
I tend to agree with those constructive criticisms of Dragon. "Black Plague" would appear to be a more descriptive moniker for their latest series of shortfalls. The obamacare rollout version of the modeling world. Having said that, I labored through the T-28 build. It is tedious and has its fair share of faults, but it is impressive when completed. Now, I have their M-103 and a fairly reasonable amount of reference material so I can start that one shortly. What bugs me most is the cost (Wow, if she finds out I'm dead meat) and the errors on the assembly sheet. Don't they know how to proof read? For the money, they certainly could have done much better. I am very interested in the M-6, but I am holding off.
DJ
Belt_Fed
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 01:37 AM UTC
Dragon does not need to do a good job on these kits because they will likely be the only ones releasing them in plastic. It sucks for us because we have to deal with a sub-par product, but I guess it makes sense from a business perspective.
210cav
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 01:51 AM UTC
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It sucks for us because we have to deal with a sub-par product, but I guess it makes sense from a business perspective.
Hmm, do they have us over a barrel?
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 01:58 AM UTC
Looks good on paper - I want one but will wait for the actual product reviews before jumping in!
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 02:39 AM UTC
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Unless it was declared that production would be limited to a very small number, why would anyone pre-order any kit?
I think pre-orders must be a hold-over from the local hobby shop days where a shop might only get an initial set of four or six kits and might not get any more because that would entail some minimum buy.
KL
^
This.
With the caveat sometimes pre-orders have a special price. If it's a derivative of a sound kit (i.e. Dragon's smart kit StuG family) on a discount, I'll buy it. If it's Black Label, I'll wait for several good reviews before I commit any money, or abstain.
Cheers,
Christophe
210cav
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 03:42 AM UTC
Christophe--- wise move, but can I resist temptation -- the "I must have it" addiction of mine? Any advice?
DJ
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SdAufKla
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 07:43 AM UTC
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Black Plague kits,..lol, made me giggle soo much.
++1
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 12:02 PM UTC
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Christophe--- wise move, but can I resist temptation -- the "I must have it" addiction of mine? Any advice?
DJ
Get up from the computer and hobby shop websites and build a model you already have.
KL
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 12:07 PM UTC
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With the caveat sometimes pre-orders have a special price. If it's a derivative of a sound kit (i.e. Dragon's smart kit StuG family) on a discount, I'll buy it. If it's Black Label, I'll wait for several good reviews before I commit any money, or abstain.
True, but it would have to be a pretty substantial discount to make some recent releases still look like good deals after opening the boxes.
There's practically nothing by any manufacturer that doesn't fall into the latter category for me.
KL
PantherF
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 12:18 PM UTC
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Quoted TextChristophe--- wise move, but can I resist temptation -- the "I must have it" addiction of mine? Any advice?
DJ
Get up from the computer and hobby shop websites and build a model you already have.
KL
Oh! But what's the fun in that?
Jeff
Beastmaster
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 12:22 PM UTC
I see what you guys mean about the 103. Just as well I haven't bought one.
iowabrit
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 01:29 PM UTC
I thought 'Black Label' was Hong Kong speak for 'Renwal' but Black Plague works (though in the UK we say Black Death)
PantherF
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 10:58 PM UTC
I still plan on getting BOTH kits.
If you think that is bad, have you checked out the size difference between the 1/35th Trumpeter and Dragon for the Geschutzwagen IVb Sd.Kfz. 165/1?
You'd think one was in 1/48th scale!
Jeff
If you think that is bad, have you checked out the size difference between the 1/35th Trumpeter and Dragon for the Geschutzwagen IVb Sd.Kfz. 165/1?
You'd think one was in 1/48th scale!
Jeff
tankmodeler
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 04:08 AM UTC
I really want an M6 so I'll probably get it, but not at first blush, even if it's great I'll wait until I can get it a bit cheaper than what Dragon has been flogging these kits for.
If it's a dog, I'll wait longer and get it cheaper.
And if it's a massive dog, I'll bail on it and go back to scratchbuilding it, as I had planned.
Paul
If it's a dog, I'll wait longer and get it cheaper.
And if it's a massive dog, I'll bail on it and go back to scratchbuilding it, as I had planned.
Paul
tankmodeler
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 04:16 AM UTC
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might just consider a what if Canada decided to use it, maybe taking them to Korea.
Not as late as Korea, certainly. Everything about the M6 was totally obsolete by 1944.
It might have been that instead of making our own Rams, in a fit of pique and poor planning, we might have bought and assisted in the development of the M6s and taken them to England in 42-43 instead of the Rams.
One might then imagine Canadian M6s trying to negotiate the roads of sunny Sicily painted in Light Mud and Black as part of 1st Cdn Arm'd Bde.
I can see also them in NW Europe with applique armour on hull and turret and regunned with 17 pdrs pulling overwatch for Shermans in the armoured regiments instead of Fireflies.
Hmmm, that's not a bad idea, actually...
Paul
spongya
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 04:37 AM UTC
It's a little bit off-topic, but is there an M6 available in 1/72? I tried to find one, but not to avail.
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 04:45 AM UTC
Accuracy aside, I will buy one. I just love the look of this monster. Not sure if I will go oob or try to super detail it.
IrishGreek
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 05:28 AM UTC
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I really want an M6 so I'll probably get it, but not at first blush, even if it's great I'll wait until I can get it a bit cheaper than what Dragon has been flogging these kits for.
If it's a dog, I'll wait longer and get it cheaper.
And if it's a massive dog, I'll bail on it and go back to scratchbuilding it, as I had planned.
Paul
^^ what Paul said. I got the M103, will build it but it was a lot of money for a kit that I expected a lot more out of. So, I will wait too and get it on sale if at all...
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 05:58 AM UTC
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Quoted TextChristophe--- wise move, but can I resist temptation -- the "I must have it" addiction of mine? Any advice?
DJ
Get up from the computer and hobby shop websites and build a model you already have.
KL
Dang, you are one very funny Dude!
tankmodeler
#417
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 06:39 AM UTC
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Not sure if I will go oob or try to super detail it.
As a friend of mine use to say, "There's no such thing as "super detailed". A model is either adequately detailed or it is not. Adequately detailed means it looks _exactly_ like the real thing, only smaller. Anything else simply means it is not adequately detailed."
:)
This from a man who used to scratchbuild models, with complete interiors, in 1/76 scale. Seriously, a scratchbuilt Centurion, with crew compartment, weapons and ammo, engine compartment, all hatches openable and all stowage boxes open and loaded. In 1/76 scale.
Paul
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 06:44 AM UTC
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Quoted TextNot sure if I will go oob or try to super detail it.
As a friend of mine use to say, "There's no such thing as "super detailed". A model is either adequately detailed or it is not. Adequately detailed means it looks _exactly_ like the real thing, only smaller. Anything else simply means it is not adequately detailed."
:)
This from a man who used to scratchbuild models, with complete interiors, in 1/76 scale. Seriously, a scratchbuilt Centurion, with crew compartment, weapons and ammo, engine compartment, all hatches openable and all stowage boxes open and loaded. In 1/76 scale.
Paul
Paul-- the guy must be a brain surgeon, anyone going to AMPS this weekend?
DJ
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