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Construction vehicles BIG untapped market?
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Posted: Friday, December 19, 2014 - 05:01 PM UTC
I think Kurt makes a very good point. These folks, for the most part, want a cool model on their shelf or on their desk but the majority have little interest in putting one together or going through the exercise of learning what makes them tick.
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Posted: Friday, December 19, 2014 - 05:20 PM UTC
I have to disagree. It's the same no matter what you build. There's groups that like building OOB, slightly more details and then there's the one who practically scratchbuild the cars/trucks/planes/boats/armor.

I've got a small line of detail parts on Shapeways for Emergency Vehicles in 1/24 scale. It took off quicker than I thought in under a month. Yes it's a very small market, but a good chunk of the builders want ever possible detail to be correct.

At the same time some of the 1/35 scale stuff I've done hasn't sold much at all. As of yesterday the ratio is almost 20:1.
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Posted: Friday, December 19, 2014 - 06:55 PM UTC

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The people who would buy civilian vehicle models are probably going to be turned off by the complexity of a state of the art kit. They like vehicles, they are not modelers.
KL



Kurt - you seem to use a very broad brush in regards to "civilian" vehicle modellers. Any basis on which you can substantiate your claim that they are not modellers!.



That's relatively easy to do.

- If there is such a large market for civilian construction vehicles (which is what this thread is about), why hasn't it been addressed? It's hard to argue that model companies completely incompetent with regards to marketing.

- Automobile models were big years before armor models were. The variety of vehicles available was staggering. There were plenty of opportunities to develop kits of construction vehicles if the market warranted it.

- Some have claimed that the popularity of die cast construction vehicles indicates that people would buy plastic kits of the same subjects. Die cast vehicles aren't kits. They do not require any effort on the part of the purchaser.

- Compare the complexity of recent 1/24 and 1/25 automobile kits to recent 1/35 tank kits. I think you'll agree that the difference is daunting. For example, Revell considers a complex car kit like their 2010 Ford Shelby GT500 is Skill Level 3, but their run-of-the mill M48A2/A2C tank kit is considered SL 4 and their SpPz Luchs 2 is SL 5.

- Many modern aircraft modelers are turned off by the complexity of tank kits. Heck, many armor modelers are turned off by state of the art kits.

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Posted: Friday, December 19, 2014 - 06:57 PM UTC

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I've got a small line of detail parts on Shapeways for Emergency Vehicles in 1/24 scale. It took off quicker than I thought in under a month. Yes it's a very small market, but a good chunk of the builders want ever possible detail to be correct.

At the same time some of the 1/35 scale stuff I've done hasn't sold much at all. As of yesterday the ratio is almost 20:1.



Do you have a link?

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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 01:02 AM UTC

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The people who would buy civilian vehicle models are probably going to be turned off by the complexity of a state of the art kit. They like vehicles, they are not modelers.
KL



Kurt - you seem to use a very broad brush in regards to "civilian" vehicle modellers. Any basis on which you can substantiate your claim that they are not modellers!.



That's relatively easy to do.

- If there is such a large market for civilian construction vehicles (which is what this thread is about), why hasn't it been addressed? It's hard to argue that model companies completely incompetent with regards to marketing.

- Automobile models were big years before armor models were. The variety of vehicles available was staggering. There were plenty of opportunities to develop kits of construction vehicles if the market warranted it.

- Some have claimed that the popularity of die cast construction vehicles indicates that people would buy plastic kits of the same subjects. Die cast vehicles aren't kits. They do not require any effort on the part of the purchaser.

- Compare the complexity of recent 1/24 and 1/25 automobile kits to recent 1/35 tank kits. I think you'll agree that the difference is daunting. For example, Revell considers a complex car kit like their 2010 Ford Shelby GT500 is Skill Level 3, but their run-of-the mill M48A2/A2C tank kit is considered SL 4 and their SpPz Luchs 2 is SL 5.

- Many modern aircraft modelers are turned off by the complexity of tank kits. Heck, many armor modelers are turned off by state of the art kits.

KL





It hasn't really been tried and I think there could be quite a few people who'd like to see civilian construction vehicles in kit form, especially older construction vehicles from the 50s, 60s and 70s. The only 2 really are the old AMT dozer and the dump truck. And they seem to shift a few of those on Ebay at least.

They could start off releasing the military versions then the civilian versions of the same vehicle.

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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 02:13 AM UTC
Accurate Armour make a very nice 1/35 ww2 RB19 Face shovel & crane & backhoe model.

http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=14&subcategory=25&product=1164
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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 03:08 PM UTC
Kurt,

Shapeways was down for maintenance yesterday..... (and I was offline the rest of the day)

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/DownRangeProductions1-35th-scale

A lot of the stuff is geared towards Dioramas in 1:35, But I'm always open to more Ideas. (Dimensions & drawings speed up 3d modeling time as well, as opposed to just photos & measurements)
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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 06:17 PM UTC

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As Caterpillar/Cat hold the world-wide patent on the 'high-track' system then Meng's offering (combined with the use of 'D9') can only lead to the conclusion it is a replica of a Caterpillar/Cat product and as Caterpillar/Cat zealously guard their brand name it was a given that legal action was to happen as it will with the recently released 'D7's'.
As much as I would love to see Engineering equipment produced in plastic I sincerely doubt there will be much progress in this area due entirely to the licensing/royalties mind-set of these large corporations.


Sadly, that's the trend.
I remember a time when these companies used to regard models of their products as free advertising. Once the beancounter plague infected the higher levels of the companies, and they got a taste of an untapped revenue source, that changed.
Now, I can maybe understand a small, token fee for the use of a name, logo, etc., combined with company approval of overall design (just so a Ford doesn't look like a Chevy, for example), but model companies aren't making money on the name alone, not like clothing manufacturers at any rate.
Probably not going to change any time soon, either.

That being said, construction equipment fascinates me. I grew up in a mechanic family, and I love seeing those vehicles with all their "guts on the outside" instead of being hidden by an aerodynamic shell or armor plates.
As others have posted, though, construction equipment kits are a niche market, and niche markets aren't profitable enough to warrant pursuing (according to the all-powerful accountants).
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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 11:55 PM UTC
Matt, I was trying to see why your 1/24 products outsold your 1/35 items . . . I would say it was because the 1/24 line looks to be accessories adaptable to existing kits while the 1/35 items don't really have kits associated with them.

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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2014 - 07:31 PM UTC
I have this seller from France on eBay in my "followed sellers". I used him once, everything was perfect from ordering to shipping. I found a 1/35 Grader, in fact, there is 3 different models. There's also a big 1/50 crane, I think someone asked for one.

Anyway, plz check it out: my link made in Google's Chrome

http://goo.gl/aahmDq

[EDIT] Based in France, ships from China, just read that.
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2014 - 10:04 PM UTC
A company really needs to think about building this one. http://tank-masters.de/?p=2027
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2015 - 09:31 PM UTC
Rumor has it that Mirror Models might be working on a towed grader to go with their new tractor/bulldozer:

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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2015 - 10:19 PM UTC
Better known as Scrapers, mostly used to move dirt/clay to and fro:
modern scrapers
That would be great if they do!

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My input to another thread concerning the need for 1/35 dozers/graders kits is something approaching this beauty...say in WW2 through today periods:



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Better known as Scrapers, mostly used to move dirt/clay to and fro:
modern scrapers
That would be great if they do!

Jim





Yes I'd love to see some scrapers both modern and older.
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 08:39 PM UTC
Well the military construction market IS getting tapped, at least to some degree!

As we already know Mirror Models has introduced two versions of the WWII Cat tractor and bulldozer.
Now MiniArt offers us no less than FOUR versions of the same vehicle including the armored bozer version!

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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 08:49 PM UTC
So in addition to the armored dozer with hydraulic blade;

We have the tractor with and without winch (you can leave it off) -


Cable hung dozer with angled blade -


Hydraulic dozer with angled blade -


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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 12:09 AM UTC
Remember - you don't have to limit your Cat tractors to only construction duties!





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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2015 - 01:29 AM UTC
The Mirror Diamond T Dump Truck is on its' way!

http://armorama.com/forums/234064

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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2015 - 01:42 AM UTC
Wespe make bulldozers in 1/87, 1/48, and I think 1/72:

http://railroadmodeling.kitmaker.net/review/5161


http://railroadmodeling.kitmaker.net/review/7850

Atlas carries them in 1/50:
http://railroadmodeling.kitmaker.net/news/18518
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Posted: Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:19 PM UTC
Given the high cost of a resin kit vs. the lower cost and greater convenience (ease of construction) of the new plastic kits plus the plastic kit's generally higher level of accuracy, I would think the Wespe resin bulldozer kits would only be chosen in cases where you needed a scale not otherwise available in plastic.

In 1/35th and 1/48th the plastic kits, I believe, have taken over the market.

p.s. Love your magazine - I have been a fan since grade school - way too many years ago!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 - 06:36 AM UTC
Howdy Y'all
I've read some good articles in at least a couple of magazines that weathered die cast construction equipment to make it appear more realistic. I tried some of the techniques on a Tamiya 1/48 Komatsu bulldozer. The die cast equipment I have are 1/50 CAT pieces that were expensive, I even bought them at the CAT store. I haven't tried to weather them up due to their high cost and fear of messing them up.
I wish there were more 1/48 plastic kits that could go with air field and construction dioramas.
Take care,
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I am not sure I agree there is no market - certainly a lot stranger, weirder, more obscure kits have recently come into styrene fruition. Perhaps it's a case of "no one has bothered to release it yet"...but may do so in the future. Caterpillar, JLG and Terex/Genie all have huge defence contracts and it certainly wouldn't be a stretch to make a kit of a Terex telehandler or a JLG 800AJ aerial lift...or a Genie 45/22/
Just think of the cool resin figures that could become available with fall arrest harnesses!
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As a modeller who is mostly interested in trucks, I find the lack of choice when it comes to civilian vehicles weird. Most modellers are military-oriented, but modern conflicts are fought in populated areas and,at least nowadays, mostly between insurgents and regular armed forces as the combatants. We have no end of military vehicles to choose from, but someone looking to build a diorama is stuck with either converting military vehicles to civilian, using one of the very limited selection of civilian vehicle kits available, or die-cast models, which tend to either be expensive, or lack detail. While I agree that producing a huge range of detailed cars,trucks and construction vehicles is not feasible for the manufacturer, I don't understand why more manufacturers don't go the way of Takom's "German civilian car" or Diopark's (hilariously named) "70's German Made Civilian Car /w IED Accessories" and give us some generic cars,vans,trucks,tractors,bulldozers,cranes etc. in 1/35 and 1/72, so we can have some freedom in doing a nice diorama.