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Tamiya Panther Ausf A
Psycho2112
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 04:13 AM UTC
Well I've heard this is quite an aged kit, and I had some inclination of that when I got it for around $17 at my local hobby store. Despite what I've heard I plan to go ahead and put this together since I don't have too much experience in model tanks beyond GW products a few years back and this will be a good opportunity to practice. One thing in particular that I'm worried about are the treads, as I'm not a fan of the ones that came in the kit, a picture of which I put here with the rest of the kit

I hope that worked since I'm still trying to learn how to insert photos into posts. Anyhow are there any cheap workable treads that will work with this kit? I've noticed tracks like these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-35-ATL08-FRIULMODEL-TRACK-FOR-GERMAN-PANTHER-A-G-for-DRAGON-TAMIYA-PROMOTE-/131195862180?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item1e8be1fca4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TAM35171-Panther-Separate-Track-1-35-Tamiya-/300353361015?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item45ee749477

However it seems that in any event I'm going to end up spending more on tracks than I am on the whole model. Does anyone know of tracks that can be bought for cheaper? Finally, if I got the Zimmerit kit that Tamiya provides, will it fit on the A even if its meant for the G model?
http://www.tamiyausa.com/items/plastic-model-series-20/1-35-scale-accessories-12400/1-35-zimmerit-coating-sheet-12646
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 04:41 AM UTC
Is there only one sprue of wheels? I would think the Panther had more wheels than that. Looks like an old kit with the motorization holes in the bottom.
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 05:50 AM UTC
Hi!---Phycho 2112

I just got through putting one of these together (a little more touch ups necessary)--and despite the vehement criticism of it from many modelers---I like it a lot. It can really be a fun kit to build if you are into nostalgic modeling like I am. It also seems to blend in with 1/32 kits as well as 1/35 (somewhat larger appearing than 1/35 but not quite 1/32. The only thing I really took time on was filing the over wide gun mantle to more respectable proportions. I kept the tracks but depressed them upon the wheels for more realism. Also, even though it would be expensive and a challenge--it is worth it (if one can afford it) to go all out with aftermarket stuff just to test one's mettle. Turret is a tad larger to scale than most people want, but I get by thinking of the finished model as a unique Panther made with thicker armor! Great, simple-clean slate of a kit.
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 06:16 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Well I've heard this is quite an aged kit, and I had some inclination of that when I got it for around $17 at my local hobby store. Despite what I've heard I plan to go ahead and put this together since I don't have too much experience in model tanks beyond GW products a few years back and this will be a good opportunity to practice. One thing in particular that I'm worried about are the treads, as I'm not a fan of the ones that came in the kit, a picture of which I put here with the rest of the kit

I hope that worked since I'm still trying to learn how to insert photos into posts. Anyhow are there any cheap workable treads that will work with this kit? I've noticed tracks like these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-35-ATL08-FRIULMODEL-TRACK-FOR-GERMAN-PANTHER-A-G-for-DRAGON-TAMIYA-PROMOTE-/131195862180?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item1e8be1fca4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TAM35171-Panther-Separate-Track-1-35-Tamiya-/300353361015?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item45ee749477

However it seems that in any event I'm going to end up spending more on tracks than I am on the whole model. Does anyone know of tracks that can be bought for cheaper? Finally, if I got the Zimmerit kit that Tamiya provides, will it fit on the A even if its meant for the G model?
http://www.tamiyausa.com/items/plastic-model-series-20/1-35-scale-accessories-12400/1-35-zimmerit-coating-sheet-12646



The G hull was quite different from the A, and this A isn't even to scale, so no, Tamiya's stick-on Zimmerit won't work here. However, Zimmerit on early and mid A-models was a simple layer of putty cut into squares with the edge of a trowel, and you can achieve this with a thin layer of body putty scribed with an X-acto knife. It's by far the easiest Zimmerit pattern to do.
The kit is a very easy build, but the center set of wheels should be double wheels, and the kit depicts them as single, fat wheels. Not fixable, but not all that noticeable, either. The idler wheels at the rear have little sprocket teeth to reduce track throwing on motorized models. They should be snipped off, as the real thing didn't have them. The turret is too wide at the front, but again, not really fixable (in the old days, we'd adapt a Nichimo Ausf G turret with a slab of .060" styrene on the front to correct its dimensions, kitbashing two Panthers to make one fairly decent A model).
Replacement tracks would cost more than the kit, and might not even fit, as they were designed for later, more accurate kits. I wouldn't bother here. No point buying a $60 kit and $40 in accessories for your first attempt.
I'd concentrate on achieving a good paint finish and practice basic weathering techniques. There were some beautiful models produced using these same crappy kits decades ago, and these are still impressive to look at today, because of careful construction and subtle painting.
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 06:20 AM UTC
For tracks, you might check Lucky Model for a new line of workable track sets called Kaizen. These are fairly inexpensive and appear to be easy to assemble. Kaizen already has several PzIII and IV sets, and I think they just released some Tiger sets,, but I'm not sure about Panthers. There was also a recent review on this site that was pretty positive about these tracks.
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Psycho2112
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 06:37 AM UTC

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For tracks, you might check Lucky Model for a new line of workable track sets called Kaizen. These are fairly inexpensive and appear to be easy to assemble. Kaizen already has several PzIII and IV sets, and I think they just released some Tiger sets,, but I'm not sure about Panthers. There was also a recent review on this site that was pretty positive about these tracks.


You mean these?
http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=KZ-PZ-V



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The G hull was quite different from the A, and this A isn't even to scale, so no, Tamiya's stick-on Zimmerit won't work here. However, Zimmerit on early and mid A-models was a simple layer of putty cut into squares with the edge of a trowel, and you can achieve this with a thin layer of body putty scribed with an X-acto knife. It's by far the easiest Zimmerit pattern to do.
The kit is a very easy build, but the center set of wheels should be double wheels, and the kit depicts them as single, fat wheels. Not fixable, but not all that noticeable, either. The idler wheels at the rear have little sprocket teeth to reduce track throwing on motorized models. They should be snipped off, as the real thing didn't have them. The turret is too wide at the front, but again, not really fixable (in the old days, we'd adapt a Nichimo Ausf G turret with a slab of .060" styrene on the front to correct its dimensions, kitbashing two Panthers to make one fairly decent A model).
Replacement tracks would cost more than the kit, and might not even fit, as they were designed for later, more accurate kits. I wouldn't bother here. No point buying a $60 kit and $40 in accessories for your first attempt.
I'd concentrate on achieving a good paint finish and practice basic weathering techniques. There were some beautiful models produced using these same crappy kits decades ago, and these are still impressive to look at today, because of careful construction and subtle painting.



Thanks for the advice. I'm usually a bit hesitant to work with hobby putty, but I'll give it a shot.


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I just got through putting one of these together (a little more touch ups necessary)--and despite the vehement criticism of it from many modelers---I like it a lot. It can really be a fun kit to build if you are into nostalgic modeling like I am. It also seems to blend in with 1/32 kits as well as 1/35 (somewhat larger appearing than 1/35 but not quite 1/32. The only thing I really took time on was filing the over wide gun mantle to more respectable proportions. I kept the tracks but depressed them upon the wheels for more realism. Also, even though it would be expensive and a challenge--it is worth it (if one can afford it) to go all out with aftermarket stuff just to test one's mettle. Turret is a tad larger to scale than most people want, but I get by thinking of the finished model as a unique Panther made with thicker armor! Great, simple-clean slate of a kit.


What do you mean by depressing them on the wheels?
paintMixer
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 07:02 AM UTC
To make them look like they are real and weigh something--you can either tie them to the section between the double wheels, after having run thread or wire through the apertures on the tracks. If done right and painted over these threads or wires should be all but invisible. Some people use toothpicks, paper clips, or small metal rods going through the entire width of the hull. The rubber tracks do not sit near enough upon or unto the top surface of the wheels like they do on the real thing. I actually prefer the rubber tracks to magic tracks--until I can eventual purchase metal real working tracks using the linking with the pin methods. Not for these tanks though--but for my Tiger 1 or II.
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 07:15 AM UTC
If you start replacing the drive system, you better replace it all. This is an old motorized kit, the rear sprockets have 'teeth' on it and that's where the gearbox drove the tank from... the rear.

And the tracks are different too, so the sprockets most likely will not fit any replacement tracks.

Best thing, build it "as is" and don't spend any money on it and use THAT money towards a new kit.





Jeff
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2014 - 09:30 PM UTC
Totally agree here. Save the track upgrade for your next project. Just go and build it -- practicing your parts clean up skills and careful assembly skills. A file, sandpaper and liquid cement will go a long way in soldifying your basic skills. Have a lot of fun
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Posted: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 - 03:13 AM UTC
I don't agree 100% with some of the above comments. You definitely DON'T want to use the kit tracks as they have no internal detail, they are just flat, and will look awful whatever you do with them. The Tamiya set for the G will fit (even though it says on the box they are not suitable), they are the cheapest option. Gerald is quite correct, the middle set of wheels are missing altogether, but with the kit assembled, are not really noticeable unless you turn it over. What the others haven't mentioned is that the drivers visor is incorrect and will need attention, also you will need to fill the yawning chasms under the sponsons. I have recently assembled one that was given as a present years ago, and raided the spares box for detailed bits, e.g. the AA machine gun mounting, toolbox etc. I also carefully cut out the engine hatch and fitted the Tamiya engine kit inside, which looks reasonable if you only glance at it! The Zimmerit was done with putty, and has two stages - the simple vertical lines followed by a heavier overscore which most As seem to have.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 - 04:53 AM UTC

Hi Carson:

You can get a set of aftermarket tracks for it if you want. But it would seem kind of silly spending almost twice the price you did for the whole kit. Or you could just spend about fifty cents on some regular old white glue, and some actual dirt from your back yard. Mix them together with some static grass or other similar scale grass type material and just slop and glop it on the tracks and running gear. Problem solved, because a good layer of mud is not only realistic, but a lot cheaper, quicker, and easier than any set of aftermarket tracks.

Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 - 08:12 PM UTC
Right! Spend $100+ on Friuls, PE and resin AM parts, and turned RB barrel! On an ancient $17 model of which there are several much better releases. Use the Tamiya for painting and weathering practice, and buy a Dragon Panther!
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