and it seems the bodywork doesn't have really the good shape.I think the Tiger Models kit is much better.
Armor/AFV
For discussions on tanks, artillery, jeeps, etc.
For discussions on tanks, artillery, jeeps, etc.
Hosted by Darren Baker, Mario Matijasic
HobbyBoss VBL
terminators
Joined: February 20, 2012
KitMaker: 1,932 posts
Armorama: 1,907 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 02:32 PM UTC
Strange there is a big hole in the bodywork. and it seems the bodywork doesn't have really the good shape.
I think the Tiger Models kit is much better.
and it seems the bodywork doesn't have really the good shape.I think the Tiger Models kit is much better.
bison126
Joined: June 10, 2004
KitMaker: 5,329 posts
Armorama: 5,204 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 02:58 PM UTC
Quoted Text
This kit is a joke.
Could you elaborate a bit more please?
Raliman
Joined: June 15, 2015
KitMaker: 54 posts
Armorama: 49 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 03:14 PM UTC
Olivier, note the height of the seats.
Cantstopbuyingkits
Joined: January 28, 2015
KitMaker: 2,099 posts
Armorama: 1,920 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 03:40 PM UTC
Quoted Text
This kit is a joke.
I'm sure Hobbyboss [and Tiger Models, who mounded it in almost the exact same [auto-censored]ing way] would be interested in your idea on how to mold a detailed single piece body without drastically increasing the cost
Hisham
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 04:22 PM UTC
I think the big hole Alex is referring to is the circular opening in the lower side of the body.. which is for the exhaust pipe to stick out of.. In the Tiger-Model kit, the tip of the exhaust pipe is part of the body
I wish the body could be done in one piece.. and then have the interior as one piece that slides in from the back
Hisham
I wish the body could be done in one piece.. and then have the interior as one piece that slides in from the back
Hisham
Raliman
Joined: June 15, 2015
KitMaker: 54 posts
Armorama: 49 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 04:33 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I'm sure Hobbyboss [and Tiger Models, who mounded it in almost the exact same [auto-censored]ing way] would be interested in your idea on how to mold a detailed single piece body without drastically increasing the cost
Where did you read me talking about the design of the bodywork?
Cantstopbuyingkits
Joined: January 28, 2015
KitMaker: 2,099 posts
Armorama: 1,920 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 04:38 PM UTC
That is correct Hisham:
Whoever posted those pictures is clearly just a failed troll enjoying the attention that bad-mouthing kits for non-existent reasons gets.
Whoever posted those pictures is clearly just a failed troll enjoying the attention that bad-mouthing kits for non-existent reasons gets.
Hisham
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 04:44 PM UTC
Oh, come on... Luis was not trolling.. he's just talking about the position of the front seats.. which does seem to look too low to be correct.. This kit needs a good build review to see how it stacks up against the Tiger-Model kit
Hisham
Hisham
bison126
Joined: June 10, 2004
KitMaker: 5,329 posts
Armorama: 5,204 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 06:17 PM UTC
I just had a look at the instructions at HobbySearch and if the kit is not a joke, the instructions are for sure.
There are some Milan details included in the basic version. The exhaust extension is supposed to be attached while it is only added for river crossing operations. The standard jerrycan holder for the French army is not the one in the box. HB give you three "rockets" (?) in a bracket that I have never seen in a French VBL. The rear seat is offset while it should be right in the center.
I haven't gone further with my reference pics but having recently built their Au-F1, my feeling is that HB do not do their homework as they should. They are mixing versions just like if they were just using the pics from the Internet without any proper knowledge of the actual vehicle.
I hope their coming VBL Milan will be better.
All of this convinces me that Tiger Model is the way to go. I'm ready to be proven wrong but as long as French modern armor is concerned Hobby Boss is way off.
Olivier
There are some Milan details included in the basic version. The exhaust extension is supposed to be attached while it is only added for river crossing operations. The standard jerrycan holder for the French army is not the one in the box. HB give you three "rockets" (?) in a bracket that I have never seen in a French VBL. The rear seat is offset while it should be right in the center.
I haven't gone further with my reference pics but having recently built their Au-F1, my feeling is that HB do not do their homework as they should. They are mixing versions just like if they were just using the pics from the Internet without any proper knowledge of the actual vehicle.
I hope their coming VBL Milan will be better.
All of this convinces me that Tiger Model is the way to go. I'm ready to be proven wrong but as long as French modern armor is concerned Hobby Boss is way off.
Olivier
HermannB
Joined: October 14, 2008
KitMaker: 4,099 posts
Armorama: 4,067 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 07:13 PM UTC
When I saw the pics posted by Luis, I decided to let my hands of
HB kit and get TM VBL Milan instead.
HB kit and get TM VBL Milan instead.
Cantstopbuyingkits
Joined: January 28, 2015
KitMaker: 2,099 posts
Armorama: 1,920 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 07:43 PM UTC
Quoted Text
When I saw the pics posted by Luis, I decided to let my hands of
HB kit and get TM VBL Milan instead.
Why? The "issues" mentioned here are easily fixed with old-fashioned modelling or repeated in the Tiger Model version. This is still a good kit for sure.
Tim.
terminators
Joined: February 20, 2012
KitMaker: 1,932 posts
Armorama: 1,907 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 08:15 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I think the big hole Alex is referring to is the circular opening in the lower side of the body.. which is for the exhaust pipe to stick out of.. In the Tiger-Model kit, the tip of the exhaust pipe is part of the body
I wish the body could be done in one piece.. and then have the interior as one piece that slides in from the back
Hisham
OK, different designing.
If the body was is one piece it would be difficult to paint.
For example, LMTV cabs from Trumpeter are in one piece and it is not easy to work with if you want to add some details.
qnb1968
Joined: April 05, 2016
KitMaker: 12 posts
Armorama: 9 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 08:23 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I think the big hole Alex is referring to is the circular opening in the lower side of the body.. which is for the exhaust pipe to stick out of.. In the Tiger-Model kit, the tip of the exhaust pipe is part of the body
I wish the body could be done in one piece.. and then have the interior as one piece that slides in from the back
Hisham
Hi Hisham - you are correct about the circular opening. My recent review of the Tiger Model VBL posted on Kitmaker, highlighted this very part. TM didn't get it exactly right - I was surprised they didn't just go for a hole in the side wall with a full exhaust. However when I saw the TM and HB kits together at my favourite retailer (NOT Luckymodel btw...), I automatically opted to go for the Tiger Model VBL (12.7mm M2 version). Overall I am still glad I did too. All the more so as where I shop the two kits are priced exactly the same, which makes, for me, the HB version definitely over-priced.
Tiger Model didn't get it all correct though and there are quite a few issues with their instructions too...
Onkos1
Joined: May 02, 2015
KitMaker: 102 posts
Armorama: 90 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 08:52 PM UTC
DO NOT BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!
This is a piece of sh.t not a VBL. I bought it last week, and it was the worst idea I ever had.
STAY AS FAR AS YOU CAN FROM IT!!!!! It's impossible to build a decent kit from it. There is so many errors that I don't even know where to start. I'm working on a rewiew of it, but there is no a one good thing about it so it will look like a total critisizm rather then rewiw...
do not experiment. Buy Tiger Model. It's better, correct and cheaper...
This is a piece of sh.t not a VBL. I bought it last week, and it was the worst idea I ever had.
STAY AS FAR AS YOU CAN FROM IT!!!!! It's impossible to build a decent kit from it. There is so many errors that I don't even know where to start. I'm working on a rewiew of it, but there is no a one good thing about it so it will look like a total critisizm rather then rewiw...
do not experiment. Buy Tiger Model. It's better, correct and cheaper...
Hellrabbit
Joined: June 28, 2015
KitMaker: 139 posts
Armorama: 139 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 09:16 PM UTC
Quoted Text
DO NOT BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!
This is a piece of sh.t not a VBL. I bought it last week, and it was the worst idea I ever had.
STAY AS FAR AS YOU CAN FROM IT!!!!! It's impossible to build a decent kit from it. There is so many errors that I don't even know where to start. I'm working on a rewiew of it, but there is no a one good thing about it so it will look like a total critisizm rather then rewiw...
do not experiment. Buy Tiger Model. It's better, correct and cheaper...
Oh? seems I need to get one and have a try on it.
Onkos1
Joined: May 02, 2015
KitMaker: 102 posts
Armorama: 90 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 11:01 PM UTC
Don't really....it's worst than resin from Azimut...
Hisham
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 11:19 PM UTC
Blazey... mere mortals, comme moi, will certainly take heed of your heads-up
Hisham
Hisham
Frenchy
Joined: December 02, 2002
KitMaker: 12,719 posts
Armorama: 12,507 posts
Posted: Sunday, May 08, 2016 - 12:52 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The "issues" mentioned here are easily fixed with old-fashioned modelling
You can always scratchbuild this for the seats
H.P.
Raliman
Joined: June 15, 2015
KitMaker: 54 posts
Armorama: 49 posts
Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 06:52 PM UTC
Can anyone see the "pins" in the piece? In the instructions they are clearly visible ...
Vodnik
Joined: March 26, 2003
KitMaker: 4,342 posts
Armorama: 3,938 posts
Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 07:37 PM UTC
Oh my... it's bad...
_on_crossing.JPG)
Cantstopbuyingkits
Joined: January 28, 2015
KitMaker: 2,099 posts
Armorama: 1,920 posts
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2016 - 12:02 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Oh my... it's bad...
Could you explain that a bit please?
weesiep
Joined: October 30, 2010
KitMaker: 150 posts
Armorama: 129 posts
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2016 - 12:48 AM UTC
Guys, been years since I logged in. Let me first say I am a TM models fan, sympathetic approach, great subjects so far, but their VBL is (much) inferior to hobby boss. First of all that perceived seat issue, look at the pic's it is supposed to be this low, especially the beige canvas version is very low. The overal finesse of the molding of hobbyboss is much better, detail is way sharper. But the most important thing, TM is off, please look at the roof shape, especially if you look at the driver hatch you will see that the angles of the roof (the fold towards the rear compartiment) are off on the TM and the hole is in the wrong place even, HB is spot on. Actualiteit the only thing About HB kit that i see as suspicous is the radius of the rear wheel fillet, (with the exhaust hole in it) it seems possible not round enough? I AM actualiteit going for the HB version.
Hope this is constructive, bonjour a tous!
Hope this is constructive, bonjour a tous!
bison126
Joined: June 10, 2004
KitMaker: 5,329 posts
Armorama: 5,204 posts
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2016 - 01:05 AM UTC
I don't know the TM model but from the picture above HB offering is not that great either.
Look at the wrong angle of the rear shock absorber and the side louvre which sits too low. The shape of the front "wing" above the wheel looks odd as well.
No kit is perfect but HB's one is not for sure.
Olivier
Look at the wrong angle of the rear shock absorber and the side louvre which sits too low. The shape of the front "wing" above the wheel looks odd as well.
No kit is perfect but HB's one is not for sure.
Olivier
Hisham
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2016 - 01:33 AM UTC
When I look at this pic, I get the feeling that the seat in the HB kit doesn't sit correctly... I also agree with Olivier that the rear shock absorber is way off... I also agree that if you study both kits, you will find errors in both.. so, just go with the one that you personally feel better about
Hisham
Hisham
weesiep
Joined: October 30, 2010
KitMaker: 150 posts
Armorama: 129 posts
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2016 - 01:37 AM UTC
You are right, radiator louvres thingy sits too low (is too big) shock absorber is possible glued incorrectly? Or indeed also wrong, grrrrrr. We all know hobby boss to make big boo boo's the cckw cab being a very terrible one, but please have a look at the roof, TM is also wrong here. I haven't ordered one yet. Hope someone will do a good comparison review.
Thanks olivier for all your input on modern (french) vehicles by the way, much appreciated
Thanks olivier for all your input on modern (french) vehicles by the way, much appreciated
 |
WEB HOSTING BY
Copyright ©2021 Armorama and Kitmaker Network, a subsidiary of Silver Star Enterprises
All Rights Reserved. Please read our Conditions of Use and Privacy Policy.
All Rights Reserved. Please read our Conditions of Use and Privacy Policy.