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KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 04:54 AM UTC

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Another WW II Tiger with a pointing crewman perhaps? yawn. Where is the first 155mm M777 coming from??



After all the other artillery kits that don't sell all that well are cleaned out.

KL
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 05:03 AM UTC

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So when will the reviews start ?



See the message immediately above yours . . .

KL


. That's a comment not a review .
bill_c
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 09:30 PM UTC
1,) Many of the abundant Tigers are inaccurate or sold-out.

2.) As David has pointed out many times here and elsewhere, the differences between DAK and non-DAK Tigers are significant enough for some of us that we want a DAK Tiger kit to actually be a DAK Tiger and not a vanilla Tiger with some DAK paint schemes.

3.) Can you guys scroll on by who always have to complain when the newly-announced X isn't the Y you'd rather have? It's more boring that DML issuing another Stug, this one produced at 5:45pm on October 21st, 1943.
djohannsen
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 11:21 PM UTC

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The reason there are many releases of tigers is because there were so many variants that different so much from each other.



This strikes me a bit like me saying "all country music is the same" or "classical music all sounds the same to me." For someone who's into either genre, such statements would be quickly dismissed.

If you get to know the M4 series of medium tanks, you would also know that there are almost an infinite number of ways to permute all the changes that occurred over the production life. Just try to build a particular US medium tank from a reference photo, and you'll find your wallet quickly drained by aftermarket purchases to get the production variant that you want.

I'm certainly not upset by your remark, just pointing out that it's really the same on the Allied side. Buyers want German, and that's just the reality of the market. So, that's why you get all these releases of various production features of German armor (not because there are somehow less Allied variability of the M4 series as compared to the Tiger).
sgtsauer
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 11:54 PM UTC
There is a significant number of M4 Sherman variations....good grief, I get dizzy just trying to think about it. Look at all of the different nationalities that used them and made their own variants.
Hisham
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 12:35 AM UTC
Dragon specializes in WW II German... Bronco and Mirror Models have been doing a lot of never before kitted allied vehicles (in plastic of course).. HobbyBoss is re-releaing the old Tristar kits... there's Asuka with the Shermans... Zvezda are improving their quality and releasing some new stuff.. so is ICM... there's Miniart's vehicles.. we have MENG and Takom and now Tiger-Model doing some modern stuff a lot of people have been wishing for.. Hell, we're even getting the Chieftain and Trumpeter is specializing in Soviet/Russian stuff... there's MERIT with the Patriot and God knows what else we'll be seeing from them... and there's more coming, obviously

What more do people want? I personally believe all kinds of modelers should be happy these days... at least, I am.. and I don't even like Tigers

Hisham
djohannsen
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 01:38 AM UTC

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In any case, this kit is needed because a major variant of the tiger that is in great demand is not presently available on the market.



Agreed, especially the "great demand" part. German sells, so you get lots of variants of a particular vehicle in the market. Simple economics.

I was pointing out that the differences from one Tiger I variant to another aren't anymore pronounced than the variations among Shermans. Heck, you could make the case that the variability of the Tiger I is significantly less than the Sherman (just look at the earliest 75mm turret direct vision M4A3 and compare with an M4A3E8 w/ T23 76mm turret) - this isn't even including comparing, say an M4A3 with an M4A1).
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 01:57 AM UTC
Not quite. And you're wrong about the T-34 too.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 02:02 AM UTC
Yes, there are plenty of discussions online about how T-34 kits don't match up with specs, and I believe there were differences according to which factory did the assembly as well.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 02:12 AM UTC

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The reason there are many releases of tigers is because there were so many variants that different so much from each other.



It may also be that the Tiger tank is very popular and well known. It could be about companies just wanting a market share of all the Tiger kits that are sold.
djohannsen
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 02:20 AM UTC
I didn't mean to turn the thread into any sort of pissing contest. Just saying that subjects that you aren't familiar with all seem the same (that was the whole point about my initial comments about music). If you're into Shermans, then you realize that each production plant had differences in addition to the tremendous evolution of the tank over the four'ish years that we're talking about here. It also doesn't bother me to say that's not everyone's cup o' tea (hell, blue is your favorite color and green is mine, it's just personal preference).

I'm also not bitter, as have I actually come to enjoy teasing out what combination of features should be present on a particular Sherman and then fabricating/kit-bashing/ordering the aftermarket bits that I need.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 02:39 AM UTC
Oh, the Sherman must have more variation than the Tiger. Heck, if we see a Tiger with an unexpected mix of parts, we KNOW it's been rebuilt. You can't say that for all Shermans.

David
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 02:46 AM UTC
Luckymodel put it up for pre-order for $50

Hisham
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 05:21 AM UTC

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Yes, it's an abundantly kitted subject. It would also be risky to kit something too obscure for a first kit.



I'm glad Meng didn't see it that way.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 03:34 PM UTC
i bet its Hobby Boss doing all their 1/48 kits into 1/35? lol Those tracks look like Hobby Boss stuff.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 06:56 PM UTC

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i bet its Hobby Boss doing all their 1/48 kits into 1/35? lol Those tracks look like Hobby Boss stuff.


Who cares about kit tracks. That's what friulmodel is for.



Quite a lot of people do not like friulmodel due to high price and use of the white metal material and so would prefer the track tracks that are already supplied in the kit.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 07:16 PM UTC
Look great, I hope reviews are favourable, Ill be tracking one down. The tracks look like they shouldn't be too bad, better than DS and if one can save the $40 of fruils its nice to have a good option in the kit. Thanks for bringing this to everyones attention.
Eric.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 07:23 PM UTC
Sprue Brothers is carrying a large selection of Modelkasten tracks...they are a cheaper alternative to Fruils as well.