Indeed, with Modelkasten (or Modelkasten type) tracks, you are essentially buying an awful amount of work. I only finished my first set of Modelkasten Tiger tracks last fall, after doing the first track run back in 2008 or so. The very idea of going through the ordeal again put me off. I finished them only because I found myself in a position without anything else to do. Couldn't even find any paint to watch while drying.
Not that all out of Modelkasten is a pain, though. Their Pz I Ausf F tracks are really nice. (Guide horn molded on the track link, and it too has a hole in it.)
Will probably wait for a review or two before ordering this one, though it looks nice.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 07:52 PM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 08:07 PM UTC
Scale models of tracked vehicles have been made for around half a century and there's still a robust and expensive aftermarket for something that is very nearly their essence as the tracks. Feels like learned helplessness.
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 08:26 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted Texti bet its Hobby Boss doing all their 1/48 kits into 1/35? lol Those tracks look like Hobby Boss stuff.
Who cares about kit tracks. That's what friulmodel is for.
Quite a lot of people do not like friulmodel due to high price and use of the white metal material and so would prefer the tracks that are already supplied in the kit.
And many others do RIGHTLY prefer friuls and indeed accept no substitute.
You were asking why ANYONE would be interested in using kit supplied tracks, not just the majority or a large number of people, in fact for live tracks the kit supplied version will kick Friul's butt most of the time.
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 09:49 PM UTC
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Quoted Textin fact for live tracks the kit supplied version will kick Friul's butt most of the time.
How so?
Friuls are:
-are easier to assemble
-have far greater durability
-allow for more realistic weathering and finishing with the blacken it
- replicate catenary action realistically
-avoid modelling purgatory of modelkasten type tracks.
Because:
- Friuls are only easier to assemble if the kit supplies an extremely complex set. Snap together and belt type tracks (Tamiya ) are a lot easier to assemble than then the Friul.
- I do agree that the White metal material is generally more durable then polymers, though most paints are less durable are chip off easier then applied to white metal.
- Most live tracks include rubber pads which have an almost entirely different appearance than what you get from blackening pewter and even it isn't, most blacken-it type liquids are either expensive, hard to get or very poisonous.
-Er, what? Live tracks do not sag.
- Most kits with live track use a simpler system of part breakdown than Modelkasten and besides I wouldn't really call modelkasten type tracks "modelling purgatory". While the system does require a lot of parts to assemble good sets with the hollow GHs correctly moulded in do not feel annoying nor tedious to assemble.
I'm a fan of the the Friul style track and white metal, but I do not think it obselances polymer track.
Hugs and kisses,
Tim.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 10:07 PM UTC
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Quoted Textin fact for live tracks the kit supplied version will kick Friul's butt most of the time.
How so?
Friuls are:
-are easier to assemble
-have far greater durability
-allow for more realistic weathering and finishing with the blacken it
- replicate catenary action realistically
-avoid modelling purgatory of modelkasten type tracks.
And they add $ 40-50 dollars to the price of each kit,which not everyone can do,and especially not me.I try to use the kit trcks when I could to cut down on expense,on occasion I will spring for AM.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 10:23 PM UTC
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Quoted Texti bet its Hobby Boss doing all their 1/48 kits into 1/35? lol Those tracks look like Hobby Boss stuff.
Who cares about kit tracks. That's what friulmodel is for.
I'm just stating that the tracks look like hobby boss's tracks. People were trying to guess which company it maybe from..you know? How Bronco & Riich Models are together, Dragon & CyberHobby etc...
Not everyone has the patience for Friul tracks...if you want to talk best metal tracks..Friul is not them, Easy Link, Sector35 Metal Tracks,Space Ace,Masterclub
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 11:36 PM UTC
Aftermarket tracks are too pricey for me. They basically double the price of a kit in many cases and with my modeling budget I have to prioritize. Perhaps if I was building for competitions I might, but I am nowhere near that level of expertise yet.
I make do with what's in the box.
I make do with what's in the box.
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Posted: Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 04:53 AM UTC
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I am unaware of any german afvs which have rubber pads . . .
Sd Kfz 250 series
Sd Kfz 251 series
Easily overlooked as there were so few made.
KL
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Posted: Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 05:31 AM UTC
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Sd Kfz 250 series
Sd Kfz 251 series
Easily overlooked as there were so few made.
KL
You're funny.
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Posted: Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 06:45 AM UTC
www.rainbowtoptt.com is taking preorders with a gift of Tacoma figures , still waiting for the amount .
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Posted: Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 06:46 AM UTC
kettenkrad had rubber pads
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Posted: Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 06:57 AM UTC
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'www.rainbowtoptt.com is taking preorders with a gift of Tacoma figures , still waiting for the amount .
$49.50 for the version with a free metal 35th bucket
http://www.rainbowtoptt.com/product/1-35-Africa-Tiger-Initial-Production-w-a-free-gift-metal-Bucket-option-1-RM5001/3143/cid/338
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Posted: Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 09:04 AM UTC
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versus, lets see pzr 1, 11, iii, iv tigers panthers and all the variants thereto. So gee, does this consideration GENERALLY pertain to German AFV modelling or not? I think not.
German full tracked vehicle production was well under 100,000 vehicles, perhaps 75, 80 thousand? Those two halftracks alone amounted to 22,000 vehicles, so 20% of German AFVs had rubber pads on their tracks. Compare that to the previous, seemingly authoritative statement "I am unaware of any german afvs which have rubber pads." [emphasis added]
It puts a little perspective on "awareness" when you look at the numbers.
KL
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Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 08:16 PM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 09:42 PM UTC
Not bad at all!
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Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 10:14 PM UTC
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.Quoted Text'www.rainbowtoptt.com is taking preorders with a gift of Tacoma figures , still waiting for the amount .
$49.50 for the version with a free metal 35th bucket
http://www.rainbowtoptt.com/product/1-35-Africa-Tiger-Initial-Production-w-a-free-gift-metal-Bucket-option-1-RM5001/3143/cid/338
I got it from them , they told me 57 bucks and some change with the figure , even emailed pictures of the model . I believe they are the cheapest shipping .
Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 10:14 PM UTC
Wow...a post about a new Tiger results in a war of words about aftermarket tracks.
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Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 10:16 PM UTC
Well it's better than a Saturday night fight , did bring the beer ? You think this is fun wait until they get hold of the model then the fur will start flying .
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Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 11:13 PM UTC
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You think this is fun wait until they get hold of the model then the fur will start flying .
You must've missed this.
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Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 11:50 PM UTC
Oh no! Giant cat drones! Shades of Monty Python!