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A Tail of Two Tigers
edmund
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Posted: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 - 11:33 PM UTC
Break out the scalpels , a precise surgical removal will be needed !
OldWarloke
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Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 08:21 PM UTC
I have been moving the tiny side skirt mounting blocks.
The pencil marks are where they will go.
Like this.
This side is finished
There is a slight up curve for the front two fenders.
Donald
The pencil marks are where they will go.
Like this.
This side is finished
There is a slight up curve for the front two fenders.
Donald
edmund
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Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 08:42 PM UTC
Did you cut those out and reuse the blocks ? Or did you make new ones ? So you did break out the scalpels.
Byrden
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Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 08:51 PM UTC
Will you be attaching side fenders? Because, needless to say, they must fit the blocks exactly.
Or, you could leave them off. Tigers could have their side fenders missing for various reasons.
You didn't say what kind of Tiger you're targetting with the Dragon kit.....
David
Or, you could leave them off. Tigers could have their side fenders missing for various reasons.
You didn't say what kind of Tiger you're targetting with the Dragon kit.....
David
OldWarloke
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Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 09:54 PM UTC
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Did you cut those out and reuse the blocks ? Or did you make new ones ? So you did break out the scalpels.
Yes I cut them off and re used the ones the carpet monster didn't get. I have spare armor with the blocks so there is plenty.
Donald
OldWarloke
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Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 09:56 PM UTC
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Will you be attaching side fenders? Because, needless to say, they must fit the blocks exactly.
Or, you could leave them off. Tigers could have their side fenders missing for various reasons.
You didn't say what kind of Tiger you're targetting with the Dragon kit.....
David
I'll be leaving the fenders off.
I have two replacement storage boxes ordered from TMD I hope they don't take forever to get here.
Donald
I still have to figure out what to do for a muffler cover.
Byrden
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Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 10:08 PM UTC
OK...if I read you correctly, you're building a "Tunisian" 501 Tiger ?
Those Tigers got pretty battered by the end of their lives. Here's one without any exhaust shields;
It's Tiger "732". Have you those digits with a red fill?
David
Those Tigers got pretty battered by the end of their lives. Here's one without any exhaust shields;
It's Tiger "732". Have you those digits with a red fill?
David
OldWarloke
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 02:20 AM UTC
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OK...if I read you correctly, you're building a "Tunisian" 501 Tiger ?
Those Tigers got pretty battered by the end of their lives. Here's one without any exhaust shields;
It's Tiger "732". Have you those digits with a red fill?
David
I have no idea, I'll have to look.
Anyone have any idea about the mountings for the shields ?
Donald
edmund
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 02:28 AM UTC
A lot of pictures shows the early tigers with out those exhaust covers .
Byrden
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 02:49 AM UTC
Well, once again, you didn't tell me what kind of Tiger you are targetting, so it's difficult to answer.
These are the mounts for the standard exhaust shields;
but if you want to build a damaged "Tunisian" Tiger, things would be very different.
David
These are the mounts for the standard exhaust shields;
but if you want to build a damaged "Tunisian" Tiger, things would be very different.
David
OldWarloke
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 04:45 PM UTC
I'm not sure that what I had in mind actually existed .
I don't have the external air filters.
I'm not really thinking about a battle damaged Tiger, but one more closer to a factory fresh one without the side skirts installed yet and before the muffler covers.
I have replacement storage boxes ordered.
Maby a replacement Tiger fresh from being shipped and before the skirts were re installed.
Donald
I don't have the external air filters.
I'm not really thinking about a battle damaged Tiger, but one more closer to a factory fresh one without the side skirts installed yet and before the muffler covers.
I have replacement storage boxes ordered.
Maby a replacement Tiger fresh from being shipped and before the skirts were re installed.
Donald
Byrden
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 06:44 PM UTC
Hmmm.
These "Tunisian" Tigers came off the smaller boats with their side skirts missing, but they were in "transport mode" with the narrow tracks etc. I don't even know where you'd get all the parts to build that.
And they had their muffler guards installed during the trip.
I have seen all the photos, and those mufflers don't disappear until the spring of 1943 when the tanks are pretty beaten up.
Or, of course, during repairs. Tiger 141 has a famous sequence of repair photos. The muffler guards and Feifels are off; but the side skirts are on.
David
These "Tunisian" Tigers came off the smaller boats with their side skirts missing, but they were in "transport mode" with the narrow tracks etc. I don't even know where you'd get all the parts to build that.
And they had their muffler guards installed during the trip.
I have seen all the photos, and those mufflers don't disappear until the spring of 1943 when the tanks are pretty beaten up.
Or, of course, during repairs. Tiger 141 has a famous sequence of repair photos. The muffler guards and Feifels are off; but the side skirts are on.
David
OldWarloke
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 09:21 PM UTC
What about a Tiger in Russia, the Dragon kit doesn't have to be a Tunisian Tiger. I'm just building both kits as a comparison between the manufactures and not matching vehicles.
Donald
Donald
OldWarloke
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 09:25 PM UTC
Well I have a little more finished.
The RFM Kit has two handles for the engine deck parts # D28 that are not mentioned in the instructions ( They are in the TMD update set if you want resin handles but hey they are here )
You will have to lengthen the ends of the opening in the engine hatch to install the coupling for the external filters.
The hatch on the Dragon Kit fit fine.
You will have to widen the notches for the hatch hold open latches.
The Dragon ones fit fine.
Here they are Side by Side.
That's all for now.
Donald
The RFM Kit has two handles for the engine deck parts # D28 that are not mentioned in the instructions ( They are in the TMD update set if you want resin handles but hey they are here )
You will have to lengthen the ends of the opening in the engine hatch to install the coupling for the external filters.
The hatch on the Dragon Kit fit fine.
You will have to widen the notches for the hatch hold open latches.
The Dragon ones fit fine.
Here they are Side by Side.
That's all for now.
Donald
Byrden
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2015 - 11:09 PM UTC
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What about a Tiger in Russia, the Dragon kit doesn't have to be a Tunisian Tiger.
The front mudguards are the problem. If you keep them, you'd have one of the Leningrad Initial Tigers... but you said you didn't want to build Dragon's 6600 again.
All other Tigers on the Eastern Front had the standard wide front mudguards.
David
edmund
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 12:56 AM UTC
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. Voyager make feifels for the tiger ? PEA087 late version for an early version tiger I . Would that work for you ?I'm not sure that what I had in mind actually existed .
I don't have the external air filters.
I'm not really thinking about a battle damaged Tiger, but one more closer to a factory fresh one without the side skirts installed yet and before the muffler covers.
I have replacement storage boxes ordered.
Maby a replacement Tiger fresh from being shipped and before the skirts were re installed.
Donald
OldWarloke
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 02:50 AM UTC
Question ?
If I changed the Front Mud Guards would I have to change the side skirts to the straight ones?
I have an old Tamiya Tiger I Late kit that I can use for parts.
Could I replace the front Mud Guards use the straight Tamiya side skirts and exhaust covers and still use the Turret with the Two Pistol Ports ?
Donald
If I changed the Front Mud Guards would I have to change the side skirts to the straight ones?
I have an old Tamiya Tiger I Late kit that I can use for parts.
Could I replace the front Mud Guards use the straight Tamiya side skirts and exhaust covers and still use the Turret with the Two Pistol Ports ?
Donald
OldWarloke
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 07:32 PM UTC
I have installed the top armor plates on both hulls. The Dragon one went on with no problems, the RFM plate needed a couple of clamps to hold it down on the engine deck area.
There is a slight gap between the covers and the rear armor plate, I'll live with it.
The Dragon front hatches are nicely detailed.
The RFM Hatches have push pin marks almost impossible to remove without screwing up the detail.
This is getting to be NOT FUN I think that I'll go back to the leningrad version on the Dragon kit. It's too much trouble to update it.
Donald
There is a slight gap between the covers and the rear armor plate, I'll live with it.
The Dragon front hatches are nicely detailed.
The RFM Hatches have push pin marks almost impossible to remove without screwing up the detail.
This is getting to be NOT FUN I think that I'll go back to the leningrad version on the Dragon kit. It's too much trouble to update it.
Donald
Byrden
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 08:10 PM UTC
There were some Tigers with the wide front mudguards AND the bent-line side fenders. Most of them had a "wide" turret bin, but some had a Pz.3 bin - which is in your kit 6600.
They had no muffler shields and they didn't use their Feifels. They seem ideal for you.
Do you want more details?
David
They had no muffler shields and they didn't use their Feifels. They seem ideal for you.
Do you want more details?
David
OldWarloke
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 09:27 PM UTC
Thanks David.
I just finished stripping the side armor plates from the sides of the hull.
I think that I'll build the Dragon kit as #123 from s.Pz.Abt.502 Tosno, September 1942 It's the all Grey one on Dragons sheet with the Panzer III Storage Bin. It looks a lot like the one in your picture.
I wonder if Dragons picture sheet is accurate.
Donald
I just finished stripping the side armor plates from the sides of the hull.
I think that I'll build the Dragon kit as #123 from s.Pz.Abt.502 Tosno, September 1942 It's the all Grey one on Dragons sheet with the Panzer III Storage Bin. It looks a lot like the one in your picture.
I wonder if Dragons picture sheet is accurate.
Donald
OldWarloke
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 09:29 PM UTC
Here is the Dragon hull with the sides removed.
Here are the supposed correct side plates.
I hope that I didn't do this for nothing. This build is getting to be a royal pain in the back side, I'm about ready to pitch the whole thing .
I don't have the side skirts shown, so I hope it works without them.
Donald
Here are the supposed correct side plates.
I hope that I didn't do this for nothing. This build is getting to be a royal pain in the back side, I'm about ready to pitch the whole thing .
I don't have the side skirts shown, so I hope it works without them.
Donald
Byrden
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 09:52 PM UTC
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I wonder if Dragons picture sheet is accurate.
How would I know? I drew it.
David
OldWarloke
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 10:40 PM UTC
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I wonder if Dragons picture sheet is accurate.
How would I know? I drew it.
David
You mean the one supplied with the kit?
WOW I'm impressed and this is not ment as sarcasim.
I couldn't draw my way out of a paper bag. I'm a lousy artist and not too much better with the builds. It's fun though.
Donald
Byrden
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2015 - 10:59 PM UTC
Well, strictly speaking Dragon sent me the outline drawings of the Tiger and I painted the camouflage patterns.
David
David
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2015 - 12:18 AM UTC
I am impressed by the lengths some people go to to achieve total accuracy! I'm always impressed by David's encyclopaedic knowledge of all things Tiger.
I have a different approach - I carefully study as much data as possible, and then deliberately make a vehicle that doesn't feature anywhere well known. That way hopefully no one can say it's not right! Lol.
Donald, if those pin marks are raised on the hatches, you may be able to carefully chisel them off. I have an old bradawl I made myself years ago with a sharp edge which I use for this type of thing.
I have a different approach - I carefully study as much data as possible, and then deliberately make a vehicle that doesn't feature anywhere well known. That way hopefully no one can say it's not right! Lol.
Donald, if those pin marks are raised on the hatches, you may be able to carefully chisel them off. I have an old bradawl I made myself years ago with a sharp edge which I use for this type of thing.
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