I thought I would ask this to see if anyone else had come across the same problem.
I recently bought a 1/35 panther and porsche king tiger.
opening later, I thought the KTiger looked small? and when comparing the panther hull to the KTiger - they were the same size! WRONG! the KTiger must be a 1/48 I guess ......
anyone else ever come across this?
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BlackMass
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 12:44 PM UTC
ijozic
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 01:15 PM UTC
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I recently bought a 1/35 panther and porsche king tiger.
opening later, I thought the KTiger looked small? and when comparing the panther hull to the KTiger - they were the same size! WRONG! the KTiger must be a 1/48 I guess ......
Not sure if you're serious, but if you just checked the online references, you'd find that the King Tiger hull is a bit longer and wider, but their hulls are essentially similar in size.
agtquimi
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 01:15 PM UTC
there is no much diference in size between the Panther and the KT
From the Wikipedia:
Tiger II:
Length 7.38 metres (24 ft 3 in) (hull)
10.286 metres (33 ft 9 in) with gun forward[2]
Width 3.755 metres (12 ft 4 in)[2]
Height 3.09 metres (10 ft 2 in)[2]
Panther
Length 6.87 m (22 ft 6 in)
8.66 metres (28 ft 5 in) gun forward[2]
Width 3.27 m (10 ft 9 in)[2]
3.42 m (11 ft 3 in) with skirts
Height 2.99 m (9 ft 10 in)
A model in 48th scale is neart 70% the size of a 35th one, so there is no way to have a 48th KT the same size as a 35th Panther
If you check teh sizes of the german tanks, the Tiger I is even shorter than a Panther
Length 6.316 m (20 ft 8.7 in)
8.45 m (27 ft 9 in) gun forward
Width 3.56 m (11 ft 8 in)
Height 3.0 m (9 ft 10 in)
From the Wikipedia:
Tiger II:
Length 7.38 metres (24 ft 3 in) (hull)
10.286 metres (33 ft 9 in) with gun forward[2]
Width 3.755 metres (12 ft 4 in)[2]
Height 3.09 metres (10 ft 2 in)[2]
Panther
Length 6.87 m (22 ft 6 in)
8.66 metres (28 ft 5 in) gun forward[2]
Width 3.27 m (10 ft 9 in)[2]
3.42 m (11 ft 3 in) with skirts
Height 2.99 m (9 ft 10 in)
A model in 48th scale is neart 70% the size of a 35th one, so there is no way to have a 48th KT the same size as a 35th Panther
If you check teh sizes of the german tanks, the Tiger I is even shorter than a Panther
Length 6.316 m (20 ft 8.7 in)
8.45 m (27 ft 9 in) gun forward
Width 3.56 m (11 ft 8 in)
Height 3.0 m (9 ft 10 in)
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 06:20 PM UTC
The Panther is massive for a WW2 "medium" tank. I was really surprised when I saw a proper size comparison with other WW2 tanks.
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 06:52 PM UTC
It’s simple math to divide the actual by 35. If Alvaro’s Wikipedia numbers are correct, here’s what your kit hull sizes should be:
Tiger II:
Length 7.38 metres is 21.1 cm in 1/35
Width 3.755 metres is 10.7cm in 1/35
Panther
Length 6.87 m is 19.6 cm in 1/35
Width 3.27 m is 9.3cm in 1/35
Tiger II:
Length 7.38 metres is 21.1 cm in 1/35
Width 3.755 metres is 10.7cm in 1/35
Panther
Length 6.87 m is 19.6 cm in 1/35
Width 3.27 m is 9.3cm in 1/35
urumomo
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 07:49 PM UTC
are the figures the same size ?
Thirian24
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:27 PM UTC
If one were 1/48th and one were 1/35th you would definitely be able to tell.
1/35th tiger on the left and 1/48th tiger on the right.
1/35th tiger on the left and 1/48th tiger on the right.
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:33 PM UTC
That only works with 2 Tigers .
This is a Panther and a King Tiger !
This is a Panther and a King Tiger !
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:49 PM UTC
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That only works with 2 Tigers .
This is a Panther and a King Tiger !
As Roy explained the Pantger and KT hull dimensions are almost exactly the same, so Dustin's idea would work in the instance.
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:50 PM UTC
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That only works with 2 Tigers .
This is a Panther and a King Tiger !
Right, but wouldn't the scale be noticeably different?
urumomo
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 09:02 PM UTC
Oy vey --- joking, guys
GarethM
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 09:29 PM UTC
Quick and simple solution. Are the guns on the Panther and Kingtiger the same size?
If the MG34 or some other component shared by both tanks is smaller on the Kingtiger then it is 1:48. If not then they are the same scale.
If the MG34 or some other component shared by both tanks is smaller on the Kingtiger then it is 1:48. If not then they are the same scale.
urumomo
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 09:32 PM UTC
If it is a 1:48 into a 1:35 Tamiya boxing -
Celebrate !
That thing's worth a fortune .
... like those weirdo - wrongo US currency jobs ..
Celebrate !
That thing's worth a fortune .
... like those weirdo - wrongo US currency jobs ..
brekinapez
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 10:45 PM UTC
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If it is a 1:48 into a 1:35 Tamiya boxing -
Celebrate !
That thing's worth a fortune .
... like those weirdo - wrongo US currency jobs ..
But he opened it, so now it's not in mint, sealed condition. May as well burn it up in a old oil drum for all it matters at this point.
urumomo
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 10:58 PM UTC
iowabrit
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 11:53 PM UTC
If you cant tell a 1/48 scale king tiger or panther from a 1/35 scale one just by looking at it you probably need to take up a different hobby.....knitting might work...
steve1
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 12:00 AM UTC
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If you cant tell a 1/48 scale king tiger or panther from a 1/35 scale one just by looking at it you probably need to take up a different hobby.....knitting might work...
Dito.
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 12:21 AM UTC
Guys this is the very first post by this member, and we as a group know nothing about him. Just because you all know what size certain tanks are does not mean he should know at this point in time. So how about answering the question rather than taking the mickey.
urumomo
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 12:29 AM UTC
... this is his first post here , guys .
Hopefully not his last .
But this got me wondering - don't all the Tamiya armor kits come with at least one , usually two , figures ?.
Even if they might be partials .
I was trying to use something that requires no numbers and no real knowledge of specific tanks .
Might be a decent way to compare or separate closer scales - 1/24 -1/25 , 1/20 1/32 from 1/35 etc ..... if that was ever needed
EDIT -- I see Darren beat me there .
Hopefully not his last .
But this got me wondering - don't all the Tamiya armor kits come with at least one , usually two , figures ?.
Even if they might be partials .
I was trying to use something that requires no numbers and no real knowledge of specific tanks .
Might be a decent way to compare or separate closer scales - 1/24 -1/25 , 1/20 1/32 from 1/35 etc ..... if that was ever needed
EDIT -- I see Darren beat me there .
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 01:01 AM UTC
Guys, before building or even buying a model...Please know what you are talking about before opening mouth. Research is there for a reason. Granted, I have been building models longer than most of you have been alive...but really. 
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 01:06 AM UTC
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Guys, before building or even buying a model...Please know what you are talking about before opening mouth. Research is there for a reason.
Really???? Sometimes you have to live to learn, jump in and experience new things. That is spoken like a true......ooooopss we won't go there.....
urumomo
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 01:16 AM UTC
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Guys, before building or even buying a model...Please know what you are talking about before opening mouth. Research is there for a reason. Granted, I have been building models longer than most of you have been alive...but really.
Uh - want to elaborate a little there ? - Oh Great Old Wise One
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 01:45 AM UTC
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Guys, before building or even buying a model...Please know what you are talking about before opening mouth. Research is there for a reason. Granted, I have been building models longer than most of you have been alive...but really.
SO you're saying that someone who wants to jump into modeling or builds only for fun still HAS to do research before asking a question? Next time try showing some respect and realize that not modelers can or want to research a model before asking a question and just want to build something.
Black Mass- There are no stupid questions, just rude individuals who insinuate that there are. Ignore them,the majority of this board is helpful.
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 01:52 AM UTC
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It’s simple math to divide the actual by 35. If Alvaro’s Wikipedia numbers are correct, here’s what your kit hull sizes should be:
Tiger II:
Length 7.38 metres is 21.1 cm in 1/35
Width 3.755 metres is 10.7cm in 1/35
Panther
Length 6.87 m is 19.6 cm in 1/35
Width 3.27 m is 9.3cm in 1/35
I well remember seeing The King Tiger and the Panther beside each other at the Patton Museum. At first I thought they put a Panther turret on a King Tiger hull. Very similar.
gary
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 01:53 AM UTC
I don't happen to own any Tamiya 1/48th kits but I do have 3 unstarted 1/35th kits upstairs including the Henschel KT.
In all 3 hull tubs it says the name of the tank and a long number starting with "35". My guess is that it's scale but not having any 1/48th kits to compare it with it's still just a guess.
And take it easy on the new guy ! You don't want to turn him off from the site. Remember, the only dumb question is the unasked question.
Have a good weekend all !
Tom
In all 3 hull tubs it says the name of the tank and a long number starting with "35". My guess is that it's scale but not having any 1/48th kits to compare it with it's still just a guess.
And take it easy on the new guy ! You don't want to turn him off from the site. Remember, the only dumb question is the unasked question.
Have a good weekend all !
Tom
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