Messerschmitt P.1101 and Focke Wulf TA 183 would be the logical choise.

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Messerschmitt P.1101 and Focke Wulf TA 183 would be the logical choise.

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Both of them were arguably the prototypes of the post war Mig jets that culminating in the Mig-15, so they might have out classed by the Mig. Unless the Germans had had the chance to do the same follow-on development and maybe license built Rolls-Royce engines that resulted in the Mig-15.

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Messerschmitt P.1101 and Focke Wulf TA 183 would be the logical choise.

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Both of them were arguably the prototypes of the post war Mig jets that culminating in the Mig-15, so they might have out classed by the Mig. Unless the Germans had had the chance to do the same follow-on development and maybe license built Rolls-Royce engines that resulted in the Mig-15.

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What about a Horten IX a.k.a. Go229 with reliable engines?

This is not even a what if, but mere Sci-Fi. And not even good one to be honest: What about the Holocaust? The unbeaten will of especially Churchill to NOT collaborate with the Nazis, under no circumstances? The standing will of Nazi leaders to conquer eastern territory? The whole situation is much, much more complex than just "consider this...". Sorry to say so, but that comes to my mind first: How would have ANYONE could have lived with all the atrocities coming from Nazi Germany to other nations, ethnic groups, disabled people, Jews etc.? That would have been the end of humanity way earlier than thought. So my answer would be: consider this first!

I know, it's about modelling and technical stuff here in the forum. But considering ideas like this we should keep the historical background at least slightly in mind. So I come to the conclusion as said before: no simple "what if" here but pure dystopian Sci-Fi stuff... (with high probability Korea would have never happened the way it did... not to talk about totally different ways of technical developments if Russia would have never won the war) My two cents to it.

While I agree the OT scenario to be quite far-fetched given the remaining threat on the esatern front, the Korean War being a UN operation and all, when it comes to German atrocities (including the Holocaust), they only started mattering to the Allies when the war was over. Arguably no strategic choice whatsoever during WW2 resulted from considerations on how to avoid/ punish German atrocities. They may have contributed to the general idea followed by the Allies that the Nazi system had too be removed, though I suspect it was more linked to the system's desire for (aggressive) geographical expansion rather than mistreating large portions of European people.

Also, the OT made it clear that the Nazi top brass would have successfully been removed in 1944. This would not have cleared Germany of Nazis, but power would have been held by the military which was only partially Nazi-infested. The resistance around Stauffenberg might not have been democrats, they would still have been much better than the Nazis and possibly a viable candidate for peace negotiations with the Western Allies.

And please don't pretend like this hobby should be politically correct, when it never was and never will be. (Unless we all start building medics and ambulances only...)

Now to the technical side: If the Mig 15 was an enhanced design of German tech, in the given scenario the Soviet Union could not have based its own research on German tech or at least not to the extent that took place after the war, using inter alia original plans and the same German engineers... There probably would not have been a Mig 15, or definitely not one superior to their German counterparts. Also, assuming that Germany was allied to the Western Allies, German designs and research would not have suffered from the same shortages of rare raw materials like what actually occured during the war.

Just my "2" cent

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I find it quite funny how people usually argue about "What-if" scenarios, as if human History had been straight-lined and anything but random from time to time.
Just for one example, if we look at the early 20th Century times, who could imagine the final results of the clandestine and German-aided return of Lenin to Russia?
And countless examples of unexpected effects can be found through History if we do just a brief research.
So who can be so assertive about what could happen in a given scenario, such as the one HH is proposing?
We have always to keep in mind exactly what the title "what-if" means, and that every theoretical scenario we choose opens a number of possibilities, like the "multiverse" theory...
I find the imaginative technical analysis really refreshing, no matter what political ideas we may have.
And we are not talking here about sci-fi or things against physical laws either.

This is not even a what if, but mere Sci-Fi. And not even good one to be honest: What about the Holocaust? The unbeaten will of especially Churchill to NOT collaborate with the Nazis, under no circumstances? The standing will of Nazi leaders to conquer eastern territory? The whole situation is much, much more complex than just "consider this...". Sorry to say so, but that comes to my mind first: How would have ANYONE could have lived with all the atrocities coming from Nazi Germany to other nations, ethnic groups, disabled people, Jews etc.? That would have been the end of humanity way earlier than thought. So my answer would be: consider this first!

I know, it's about modelling and technical stuff here in the forum. But considering ideas like this we should keep the historical background at least slightly in mind. So I come to the conclusion as said before: no simple "what if" here but pure dystopian Sci-Fi stuff... (with high probability Korea would have never happened the way it did... not to talk about totally different ways of technical developments if Russia would have never won the war) My two cents to it.

I was having a good time reading this thread and all the interesting and good comments and points until...wtf?

Take it for what it is- German vehicles in the Korean War. That's what we're talking about. Let's say the Holocaust was discovered, those responsible punished and executed in the same camps they worked at, etc.

THEN, when Soviet aided N Korea invades S Korea, NATO responds and Germany sends troops and tanks.

What I would like to ponder is:

Would German Infrared equipment be mass produced? Would other NATO vehicles/troops begin using it?

AND, I think the German SPGs and tank destroyers would do well here. Maybe not the giants like the Jagdtiger or Jagdpanzer unfortunatey, but smaller ones based on the 38t or PzIV chassis.

However, I can only imagine what a North Korean soldier, coming from a largely rural background would react to confronting a Tiger

My 2 cents

I was having a good time reading this thread and all the interesting and good comments and points until...wtf?
...

What I would like to ponder is:

Would German Infrared equipment be mass produced? Would other NATO vehicles/troops begin using it?

AND, I think the German SPGs and tank destroyers would do well here. Maybe not the giants like the Jagdtiger or Jagdpanzer unfortunatey, but smaller ones based on the 38t or PzIV chassis.

However, I can only imagine what a North Korean soldier, coming from a largely rural background would react to confronting a Tiger,