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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 12:27 AM UTC
I would say the main reason not to bail over the water would be the odds of drowning from the clothing, gear, chute etc. have to be pretty high.

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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 12:29 AM UTC
Love nolan, love as little cgi as possible but why leave ALL the modern structures so clearly in view. Even the 80s beachfront lampposts had to be clearly in frame several times. Come on. I understand the artistic concept but wasn't this supposed to be 1940? I literaly couldn't look passed it.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 08:29 AM UTC

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i was going to go and see it lastnight but we got the timings mixed up and ended up watching Atomic Blonde instead lol



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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 08:54 AM UTC

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Love nolan, love as little cgi as possible but why leave ALL the modern structures so clearly in view. Even the 80s beachfront lampposts had to be clearly in frame several times. Come on. I understand the artistic concept but wasn't this supposed to be 1940? I literaly couldn't look passed it.



Maybe it's possible that they combined "Back to the Future" and "Dunkirk" and used the Flux-Capacitor to hurl the soldiers and equipment through time to modern day France!? It makes sense to me...I'm just sayin'....I haven't seen the movie yet. When I do see it I'll remember that it is just a movie....not a documentary.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 09:34 AM UTC

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Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk is not like any war movie I've ever seen before. He is an extremely talented director and writer. If you have seen his other films like Interstellar and Inception, he weaves the same cinematic magic once again. If you are looking to count rivets you will be disappointed, although the attempt to achieve accuracy was made as much as possible. There is no glorification of war yet it is not an anti-war movie. His movies are about human emotion and human spirit and his choice of a defeat/victory is no surprise. This movie is about the experience of the people who went through the ordeal, with all the bravery and cowardice that went along with it. What Nolan does is create an atmosphere that is so compelling and powerful aurally and visually that it makes you a part of it. I highly recommend that you see it in the IMAX format. As for free streaming and $5 bootleg DVD's, that's called theft. Would you want someone ripping off your hard work and effort?



Excellent post. I've never seen a movie quite like "Dunkirk" before, and seeing it in Imax was astonishing. My wife said she felt physically frightened for much of the film, and while I wouldn't admit to that I was perhaps a bit tense for most of the movie--LOL.

I can be a rivet-counter at times, but anyone letting minor historical/technical inaccuracies ruin an otherwise good movie for them is really missing the point. I thought they did a good job of doing uniforms, equipment etc. as realistically as was practical with little use of RC models and CGI.

The rule of thumb in Hollywood is Americans won't pay to see a war movie that A) isn't about Americans, and B) isn't about a victory. Obviously there are exceptions to that rule, and I'm pleased that "Dunkirk" has been added to that list--it has been very successful with the critics and the ticket-buying public. I found it to be a very impressive film and no doubt I'll see it again in future once my hearing has recovered from the bludgeoning it got from the Imax sound system.

Someone mentioned "Fury" in a negative light. I liked that movie although it certainly doesn't qualify as light entertainment. I sure didn't see it as being about all-conquering American super-soldiers. On the contrary, I took it to be about ordinary men in an extraordinary situation, combat, where their buddies could die beside them at any moment. The Brad Pitt character "Wardaddy" isn't a brute, but he knows he has to get his tank's new bow gunner past his aversion to killing or the whole crew could die, he does what his horrific experiences have taught him needs to be done. Overall I found it a thoughtful film, not a flag-waving yay-USA sort of war movie where the special effects take precedence over the script and the characters. It's amazing how various people can see such different things from watching the same movie....
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 09:40 AM UTC
Saw it pover the weekend and went with the view that it was a movie for the masses - not an accurate documentry of actual events.
Left thinking it was an OK movie - not fantastic and certainly didn't give you the same adrenaline rush as Saving Private Ryan.
Still, worthwhile seeing and will certainly enlighten many people who know little or nothing about that era.

The only thing that did bemuse me big time was when the first Spitfire ditched. Why on earth would you close the canopy when ditching in the sea as you'd want to get out as quickly as possible. But I guess that if he did get out fast, then there wouldn't be any drama would there
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 09:48 AM UTC
Kelly's Hero's must be absolute torture for some...
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 10:26 AM UTC

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Kelly's Hero's must be absolute torture for some...


I love that movie, it's so much fun. I was impressed at the time that they tried to make T-34s look like Tigers even though 99.9999% of the people watching the movie would not have known (or cared) if they had done nothing to the T-34s but paint German markings on them. I like technical accuracy when I see it in a movie, but IMHO the writing, direction, acting etc. are of far greater importance than something as petty as whether they used the right model of tank. I remember someone many years ago (in AFV News I think) complaining that the Jeeps in some WWII movie were the wrong model--yikes, talk about obsessive.

LOL, if you look carefully some of the Imperial Stormtroopers in the original Star Wars movies have weapons which are clearly MG-34s tarted up a bit to make them into lasers, I wonder who we're supposed to complain to about that?
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 12:10 PM UTC

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LOL, if you look carefully some of the Imperial Stormtroopers in the original Star Wars movies have weapons which are clearly MG-34s tarted up a bit to make them into lasers, I wonder who we're supposed to complain to about that?



The standard Stormtrooper laser is a Sterling submachine gun. They actually fired blanks in the first movie so they accurately put in the laser beam fx. Watch it today and look for the ejecting brass. All kinds of WW2 gear was customized and used on the stormrtroopers to give them a military look. The most infamous may be the MP40 magazine pouches on the shoulder of the sandtroopers on Tatooine.

Something about those Yugoslavian T-34 as Tigers. They were created for the big budget Yugoslavian war movie Battle of Neretva along with others dressed up as Panthers.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 12:16 PM UTC
My 10 cents worth.
A couple of things I've read/seen about Dunkirk.
Remember that each sequence air, sea, land is measured in either hours, days, week.

By all accounts the Pilot portrayed by Tom Hardy was based upon Al Deere who apparently did land on a french beach during the evacuation but was able to get aboard a boat back to the England.

Great movie now all I need is a really really Big screen and a home theater.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 05:43 PM UTC

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I found it half good and half disappointing. The sea action, and air to ground action were good, and the sound was good too.

Don't read further if you haven't seen it...

But air-to-air was crap. This movie jumps the shark when one lone Spitfire, out of fuel and only a couple hundred feet above the ground, without feathering it's prop, reverses course and shoots down a Stuka as it's coming out of it's dive.
This was after the same Spitfire downed four 109's and two Heinkel 111's. Granted, the 109 pilots made it easy. No schwarm, rotte, or any form of unit tactics. Only putting themselves in front of his Spitfire and banking back and forth until he shot them down.



I saw it today and I totally agree.
It's different then other war movies, still nice but not the best in my opinion.

(- spoiler alert -)
Great to see many spitfire shots in the film, gliding such a heavy plane is possible but on that altitude not for long, you could argue that he needs to slow down for landing, but still you do need a high speed to land a spitfire...

I recommend to go watch it and see for yourself
Kind regards



Err you cannot feather a prop on a Spit, what is the point, its not like a twin where you do it to reduce drag and thus continue on your good engine, A Spit when it's gone you are gone.. hopefully over the side or deadsticking it onto the ground, no point humping all that extra weight and mechanical gubbins about if it as useful as a chocolate teapot.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 05:50 PM UTC

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Love nolan, love as little cgi as possible but why leave ALL the modern structures so clearly in view. Even the 80s beachfront lampposts had to be clearly in frame several times. Come on. I understand the artistic concept but wasn't this supposed to be 1940? I literaly couldn't look passed it.



Really, no set dressing???? Did you see the bloody great conference centre in the film??

see

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/holidays/town-transported-back-to-tell-96591/
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 05:52 PM UTC
a very good posting and I do agree (also with your sentiment on fury) although that movie could have been greater we're it to have a different ending. But to me, Nolan could have made the movie even better if he simply CGIed the modern buildings (in the background) out, or, do your best to film a little bit around it, to me it seems like he almost did it on purpose. Like another commenter said "back to the future" and maybe this was also even intentional, today we are all talking about war again, this movie can also be considered a warning on current events.

One more point, apart from the last shot we actually never see a German, to me this felt really real. I guess as a normal soldier (especially when losing, on the run) you will likely never see your opponent, just bullets cracking in near to you, artillery/planes raining down. I felt that was very realistic and it added to the tense atmosphere, something Nolan is very good at.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 05:57 PM UTC
I did not say no set dressing, Nolan uses set dressing and they are very typical to his stylized version of the world (the neat rows of ammo) Have you seen the movie yourself? Even in the "screenshots" (shots of the set) you are showing you already see the modern apartment above the café beachfront, it is also in screen very clearly in the movie, as are many many other examples. Why not use a little CGI on the background, just change the windows to 40's style.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 06:28 PM UTC
How did the dead engine Spit stay in the air so long and shoot down the Stuka? My only complaint.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 06:41 PM UTC
It might not have been so long if we take a liberal amount of time compression into consideration. I think it was done for the emotion of the end of the movie. The RAF did all they could (in the confines of the moment) I think that is what it meant to portray.
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Posted: Monday, August 14, 2017 - 11:40 PM UTC

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LOL, if you look carefully some of the Imperial Stormtroopers in the original Star Wars movies have weapons which are clearly MG-34s tarted up a bit to make them into lasers, I wonder who we're supposed to complain to about that?



The standard Stormtrooper laser is a Sterling submachine gun. They actually fired blanks in the first movie so they accurately put in the laser beam fx. Watch it today and look for the ejecting brass. All kinds of WW2 gear was customized and used on the stormrtroopers to give them a military look. The most infamous may be the MP40 magazine pouches on the shoulder of the sandtroopers on Tatooine.

Something about those Yugoslavian T-34 as Tigers. They were created for the big budget Yugoslavian war movie Battle of Neretva along with others dressed up as Panthers.


Yes, that's right, I'd forgotten about the Sterlings, but I had no idea they shot blanks from them in making the film. The Mauser 1896 "Broomhandle" is in there too, a weapon beloved of movie makers because of its striking appearance.

Of course the prop weapons used doesn't detract from the Star Wars movies any more than the "correct" model of Jeep is vital to making a good movie set in WWII. A judge in a model contest is entitled to be pedantic, but when discussing the quality of a film it's rather pointless to be counting rivets.

I appreciate film makers trying for technical accuracy, e.g. I thought "The Monuments Men" did a good job with uniforms, vehicles etc. I'm not about to worry about whether they used a real BA-64 or a mock-up, it looked good in the movie either way. The bottom line is whether or not it's a good movie.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 12:03 AM UTC

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Kelly's Hero's must be absolute torture for some...


I love that movie, it's so much fun. I was impressed at the time that they tried to make T-34s look like Tigers even though 99.9999% of the people watching the movie would not have known (or cared) if they had done nothing to the T-34s but paint German markings on them. I like technical accuracy when I see it in a movie, but IMHO the writing, direction, acting etc. are of far greater importance than something as petty as whether they used the right model of tank. I remember someone many years ago (in AFV News I think) complaining that the Jeeps in some WWII movie were the wrong model--yikes, talk about obsessive.

LOL, if you look carefully some of the Imperial Stormtroopers in the original Star Wars movies have weapons which are clearly MG-34s tarted up a bit to make them into lasers, I wonder who we're supposed to complain to about that?



Star wars forum silly.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 12:57 AM UTC
I think my biggest gripe with Fury was that a SS Battalion Commander would gut his unit to destroy a damaged, immobile tank that couldn't interfere with his mission.
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I think my biggest gripe with Fury was that a SS Battalion Commander would gut his unit to destroy a damaged, immobile tank that couldn't interfere with his mission.



Oh my, one of the most famous stories is when regimental commander SS-Standartenführer Sylvester Stadler, SS-Sturmbannführer Adolf Diekmann commanding the 1st Battalion and SS-Sturmbannführer Otto Weidinger, delayed orders going to reinforce forces during the Normandy invasion just to kill civilians
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 09:17 AM UTC

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I think my biggest gripe with Fury was that a SS Battalion Commander would gut his unit to destroy a damaged, immobile tank that couldn't interfere with his mission.



Oh my, one of the most famous stories is when regimental commander SS-Standartenführer Sylvester Stadler, SS-Sturmbannführer Adolf Diekmann commanding the 1st Battalion and SS-Sturmbannführer Otto Weidinger, delayed orders going to reinforce forces during the Normandy invasion just to kill civilians



Reprisals against possible civilian partisans are so much more important than stopping the Allied invasion. Front line troops could always be counted on to delay the enemy forces long enough for the untermensch to be taught a lesson so the SS could arrive just in time to save the day. Teutonic arrogance and attention to detail at its finest.

As a poor beleaguered defender in Normandy awaiting relief might have retorted "this is why we will lose this war."

A wonderful war movie trope.
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